Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

I am, like personally?

Being a biological man myself I find that accusation quite baffling.

If the prefix is what is demeaning - are you basically not just implying you think you are getting away with demeaning to someone to label them a “trans woman” instead of simply a “woman?”

categorically false the prefix is applied to both men AND women. The prefix is the same for both!

there it is, the heart of the perceived grievance. People daring to pierce one’s veil that they are the “normals” and everyone else are the “others”

conservatism 101: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

here for you the ‘law’ (of semantics) is “prefixes for thee, not me.”

Not really sure you guys know what prefixes are, but if woman is a noun, then cis and trans are both prefexes. Biological would be an adjective.

Transatlantic - to go over to the other side of the Atlantic.

Cisatlantic* - to stay on the same side of the Atlantic.

Neither is normal or abnormal, that's not what prefixes do.

*yes, it is actually a real word, just not used very often. Google it if you don't believe me :)

It's always the same, isn't it? The people who shout the loudest about encroaching fascism want to give the government more and more power to control every aspect of people's lives. Presumably so that when the fascism we're constantly told is encroaching does indeed arrive, the newly-instated fascist government will have no trouble shutting anyone up about any old thing they like. They need only do a little editing on the definition of the term "hate" and those covered by it.

The only time that principles matter is when they are difficult to hold to. We saw this during the pandemic, when those with an ostensibly strongly held principle of bodily autonomy wanted people to be blow-darted with mRNA, or those who claimed to be for freedom turned into the curtain-twitching Stasi. And we see it again now, when people who ostensibly strongly hold a principle of free speech flake because sometimes words might not be to their liking.

It would be bad enough if that were it, but the fact that the law seeks to punish possession of material that has not been shared, and to then reverse the burden of proof on that aspect of the law such that the person in private possession of a malevolent meme must prove their lack of intent to ever share it, is utterly beyond the pale.

Enjoy being sent hateful material from anonymous internet-derived telephone numbers and then having the guards call around shortly after your next argument with a neighbour.

A pox on anyone who would support such a destruction of everything our civilisation is built upon.

Actually the most common use of 'trans' in Latin is to mean 'beyond' . Therefore the nearest antonym would be 'intus' meaning inside/within. So technically if we want to play the grammar game. We would have a beyond woman and an inside woman.

Two problems:

1 - as you say - the people who shout the loudest

2 - the people who actually engage with them (regardless of whether they agree or not)

No its not. Its common to have such legislation in many countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country

A threat to their existence?🤡 What dramatism, and a great example of how quickly we've fallen, when a word is a threat to someone's life.

It's an apt comparison. How is the "modern left" offensive exactly? They are literally the modern strain of leftism. You really want people to just shut up and say nothing, give it all away without any push back? It's not going to happen. They call their enemies Nazis, far right, transphobes and every other name under the sun, yet I can't compare them to Bolsheviks? And why exactly do you not apply the same logic in reverse? Because you're a partisan for modernist beliefs.

We're gonna need a bigger jail.

Unfortunately, there comes a time when engagement is necessary. It's all well and good to sit back and feel superior when people are caps-typing "Fascist" and "Bolshevik" at each on websites. Quite another to do so as literally authoritarian laws that tear apart the concept of innocent until proven guilty wend their way through your state apparatus.

Hilarious again to see you accuse ANYONE ELSE of being PARTISAN while you go off tarring everyone around you as Bolsheviks etc.

Get a mirror. Stare at a calm pond. Search that soul of yours.

Again, I was just using that as an example of the use of prefixes, in connection with the posts above mine. Kind of dragged things off topic - apologies.

Not really sure how the scenario is relevant - is someone bringing in laws that say it's illegal to be cisgender (or whateve rword you'd rather use)?

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Youre right you cannot be a Bolshevik in your own logic set so not “everyone”

You and the few you want to bundle with you don’t consider bolsheviks but you’re not a partisan but those people all over there yeah they’re bolsheviks 🤡

And there’s a whole host of other parents who would call your idea of obliterating those ‘norms’ to be nothing less than trans-grooming etc., trying to tell boys they can play with dolls and such.

Suffice to say there’s no semantic argument to be had that cis men and cis women ‘have no gender identity’