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General sheep thread

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    #9662
    White Clover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭White Clover


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120448033#Comment_120448033

    I used Sudocreme a few years ago and it worked well.



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    #9663
    Young95
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Young95


    hi folks . Just a question. Have a lamb here born yesterday from a set of triplets which was fine till dismoring I found it very weak so I brought it inside and stomach tubed it and got it going . It now seems to have a scour which is seems to have traces of blood in it. I gave it some liquid aid and scour halt when I first noticed it but lamb seems quite weak . Expecting it to die . But curious to know has anyone ever seen a blood tainted scour in a Lamb before? Is it a bacterial infection or what ? Thanks for any feedback



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    #9664
    Country lad
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Country lad


    not sure what it might be but i would give it 1cc.of alamycin as it always cures up the scours for me in lambs



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    #9665
    MayoAreMagic
    Registered Users Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446046#Comment_120446046

    And people wonder how parasites become immune to our medications...



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    #9666
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120467496#Comment_120467496

    They're still getting the same amount of active ingredient as in clikzin



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    #9667
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Anyone on here know what's involved in learning to scan sheep and where would one learn?



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    #9668
    farawaygrass
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120478370#Comment_120478370

    Our scanner here told me he went to Scotland for a few day course to learn. After that it was just experience and making mistakes!

    I remember seeing ads for courses doing scanning on cows a couple of years ago. There was a practical side where they used to scan cows in a factory. Can’t remember who ran the course though



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    #9669
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    Had a visit from Mink a few days ago.One has recovered the other drinking but not standing. Last time we had a problem was 20 years ago. Put pipes in ground with fish. No result from this.Would a light shining on field be any help?



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    #9670
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Was in the mart . Saw a ewe go through whos red raw with scab. Surely theres a duty of care to stop the spread of it?. All sheep after be going through the same chute etc...



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    #9671
    Jonnyc135
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120501564#Comment_120501564

    Absolute hate seeing that, high probability alot of sheep up the chute after her has contracted it too



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    #9672
    Western Pomise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Western Pomise


    Bad form on the marts part to have her for sale……likelihood is more then 1 of mart staff noticed her on way in.

    Could have a quiet word with manager later and someone could ‘have reported her to the office’ and manager could then get onto owner of sheep to put her back on trailer before sale.

    And any other sheep from same person as they probably had it too,to a lesser degree.

    Of course some customers get special treatment’ if they are in mart each week wheeling and dealing and paying Commission……so Manager might conveniently ignore the sheep then.



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    #9673
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭razor8


    It’s a bit late once he’s in the mart. Should be a fine for such antics. Could cost a farmer hundreds of euro to fix the problem

    it seems it’s becoming a problem again



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    #9674
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Anyone any tips on dealing with orf while scabivax isn't available, have some real bad cases here and then some mild enough. Using bactokill at the minute and it is helping but it's hard to get to them all. Anyone any experience of the tubby orf buckets, are they effective and worth the cost at 40 euro a bucket?



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    #9675
    Limestone Cowboy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,533 ✭✭✭Limestone Cowboy


    Got a fairly bad dose of it in my lambs this year, thought a few wouldn't recover from it. I only caught them once and used the bactakill orf paste. Gave a shot of penicillin to the really bad ones because I was afraid of a secondary infection and put out the tubby buckets. The lambs with the orf went mad for them and the ewes didn't go near them. A week later it had all pretty much cleared up. I'm putting a lot of it down to the buckets but it might not be them that did it either.



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    #9676
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Them orf tubby buckets are the job. Make sure there’s no thistles too. Can break out even more of the lambs



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    #9677
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭roosky


    i have found metacam and oxytet quite good for bad orf, the pain relief in the metacam allows lamb to stay eating and fight the virus



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    #9678
    Jonnyc135
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    We have always and ever used burnt black oil for both orf. It does help after a few times painted on whether its the sulfur in the burnt oil who knows - something done here for generations, bit like the holly for ring worm



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    #9679
    clonagh
    Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭clonagh


    Has anyone ever scratched the lambs ear with Scabivax instead of the inside of the leg? Any issues?



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    #9680
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭DJ98


    When doing fec on lambs do they have to be done through your vet or can deal directly with a lab? Not for sheep improvement scheme or anything just my own management



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    #9681
    Tileman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Tileman


    Directly with the lab



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    #9682
    Jonnyc135
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    What's people thoughts on target weights for singles and twins at 8 weeks for low land sheep with terminal sire



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    #9683
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭DJ98


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120542500#Comment_120542500

    What lab would you recommend?



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    #9684
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120542709#Comment_120542709

    Meal or no meal



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    #9685
    Jonnyc135
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120543087#Comment_120543087

    No meal



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    #9686
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120543307#Comment_120543307

    350g / day for twins. Bit more for singles.



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    #9687
    Jonnyc135
    Registered Users Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120543421#Comment_120543421

    Seem to have some great thrive off lambs this last few weeks here and hopefully the humid weather will push grass on.



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    #9688
    joe35
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭joe35


    Hi all, I've an option to rent 60 acres at 250 an acre. No entitlements with it so would need to lease some.


    Question is, will I make this in sheep farming. Land is of good quality but needs lime and maybe reseeding.

    I'll have it for long term lease so have plenty of different options available to me. It also has good sheds and facilities.

    I'm thinking if I keep about 150 ewes on this, rent in entitlements, cost 2500, claim subs of 10,000 with SIS. Get into acres next year. (I already claimed it last year but wasn't renting it fully) so I should get in. Would be an extra 4/5,000.

    What return, if any can be made from sheep??

    TIA



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    #9689
    Young95
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Young95


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120549951#Comment_120549951

    Where is the 10000 in subs coming from ? Most be high value entitlements ? And also what is costing 2500? You will probably have to dig into your subsidy for the first few years for sure between building up stock numbers and improvements to land so your subsidies will be eatin into but if it’s a long lease and your will to put sweat into it for first few years .. then long term it would work . So go for it if you understand what I’m saying. If inputs go down back pre 2022 levels and finished lamb price stays in around the same price wise as last year . It is achievable to do okay out of it . But first few years is going to be grim. Best of luck



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    #9690
    joe35
    Registered Users Posts: 461 ✭✭joe35


    I already stock built up. I have 140 sheep at 12 euro a head in SIS is 1,680. Last year I leased in entitlements for 2,500 and got back 7,000 direct payments, all in. Plus fodder support scheme of 1,000 would bring subsidies up to roughly 9,680. (That's the 10,000)

    2,5000 is for leasing the entitlements



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    #9691
    kk.man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭kk.man


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120551083#Comment_120551083

    Its very difficult to predict sheep farming atm. You are getting the land at good value. If the present trend continues with sheep prices vrs costs (a fag box calculation) you will be subsidising your enterprise from your subs which in turn you are subbing these from your own money.

    Times change so this could be all different this time next year but there is a huge exodus in my part of the country so that may help returns (we have been saying that for a good few years now). The fact that the factories can go to the UK on any given week and buy a few wagons to process here doesn't help. Shortage of sheep meat here might not translate into good prices because the market is determined by what France can pay (they import from Oceania too).

    You might look at a small bit of Diary Calf to Beef in order to spread the risk IMHO.



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