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No mow may

  • 01-05-2023 12:56pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭


    What experience you have with no mow may? I did it while ago but as our commercial lawn was too vigorous there wasn’t much of wildflowers.

    I decided to remove the lawn and sow native wildflowers. So now I do No-mow summer :D



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,891 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i just mowed the lawn - had already let it grow too long!

    front lawn anyway, i'm a little more lax with the back one (but the front lawn is much better for flowers)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ttnov77


    I used to be big into tightly mowed lawn :D ! Not anymore, got tired of being slave to mowing… Now I can spend hours relaxing and enjoying the meadow :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I find just leaving an otherwise well kept lawn uncut for a month does nothing for biodiversity in the garden. No wildflowers establish in that period and it lets coarser grasses get a hold. Personally, I'll keep the lawn neat and enjoy the wildflowers in their designated areas and pollinators throughout the flower and shrub beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,710 ✭✭✭blackbox


    I have areas for wildflowers and for nettles.

    I don't feel guilty mowing my lawn.

    There is room for all sorts of gardens.

    Each to his/her own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    The half acre under wild flowers is enough for me I think. I'm keeping the other half under a nice pristine lawn that can actually be used.

    If I left the rest of it unmown for May it'd be some chore to cut it again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...just done with no mow april, not out of any ideological stance, but the fact, i was up to my eyeballs....

    ...might get a wild flower garden this year, as oppose to my normal wild weed garden....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ttnov77


    Same happened to me but I guess it also depends on the location and soil seed bank, some people might be lucky and have some wildflowers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    got a nice flower garden first year i tried, been sh1te since, but i have some buds now appearing, so heres hoping....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ttnov77


    Wow half an acre is awesome. I’m not fan of lawn but then there is huge green community space in our estate so I don’t need any lawn in garden, kids play out there but they bring other kids for garden tours and you should see the faces :D

    If I would live in countryside with large space I would keep some for playing etc, but I find the many country houses with massive golf lawns sterile, boring and useless. As long as the lawn is actually used and lots of areas are left for wildlife there is nothing wrong with keeping lawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    My lawn is mowed but I find that lots of small flowers appear almost as soon as it is mowed, also there is a good deal of wild stuff round the edges, we seem to get lots of bees in the garden anyway.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,891 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i doubt you're the target audience of the initiative so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm not entirely convinced by the No Mow May thing. We live rural, disadvantaged type land, lots of habitat and not much spraying if any. Have lots of nettles and other common wild flowers in ditches and about garden. And yet, we still see only a small fraction of the number of butterflies and moths that were here 25 years ago. You could step outside the door then and hear the steady drone of bees feeding on the currant bushes. Not anymore, the bushes are still there and flowering away.

    So something else has done for the insects and me not cutting a bit of grass every week or two will make not a blind bit of difference I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    its a collective effort, not just you

    you could be an island surrounded by farms who do spray for instance

    or a flower garden in the middle of an estate full of cut grass



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Supertoucher


    I think the target audience is more for the average 3 bed semi.

    With 1000sqm of grass in rural Wicklow and two large dogs, there's no chance i'd leave it more than 2 weeks, let alone a month. We have plenty of flowers for the 6-7 hives on the lane and so I think they'll be ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭techman1


    I think the bigger environmental impact especially in urban areas is not whether to mow or not mow but people ripping up their lawns and gardens to put in concrete etc for parking cars . It is much better to leave lawns in place for nature and as a way of allowing rain water to soak away. Whether the lawn is mowed or not is a side issue . I've noticed that alot of gardens in Dublin have been ripped up for concrete or tarmacadam in the last decade. Putting a wildflower patch in beside a concreted garden does not negate that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Did you read my observation? "We live rural, disadvantaged type land, lots of habitat and not much spraying if any."

    So no spraying of note, lots of habitat and far fewer insects. Whether I leave the bit of grass mown or not wouldn't make any difference.

    As techman says, the emphasis should not be on 'no mow' but 'no concreting' or 'no tarmacadaming' Too many urban dwellers now want the easy life and as little garden maintenance as possible :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    did you not read your own post, you aren't convinced by the no mow may... in general

    its not just about you

    its a collective thing, an ecosystem

    if you live on a bog this isn't targeted at you is it per say, unless you mow that bog

    its not a dont mow do concrete over

    a tightly mown lawn isn't much better than a concreted one for the likes of bees



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Grand but if you're so convinced by the idea, explain to me why we rarely have to repatriate a butterfly or moth from the house. Or why there are practically no bees in the way there were? Despite there being ample habitat and food sources. Plenty of birds and wild mammals about. And that's not just here, 25 years ago you'd be cleaning the debris of insects off the car windscreen and headlights frequently in summer, anywhere you went.

    I'm all for wildlife and habitat conservation so maybe 'no mow may' is a good PR thing, but that's all it is I think in reality. A bit of PR and virtue signalling. Might as well call a spade a spade. But YMMV and that's grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    I left mine for the last 3 weeks out of laziness.

    Did it yesterday evening and what a pain in the crack.

    If I wasnt to mow it for all of May it would be some horrible job to do the next time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    its an ecosystem, small pockets of habitat just don't work

    how do you explain that even thought you have a fine habitat there, there are no insects in it?

    bees need some way to get to your pocket of land, birds need to migrate to it, you remove that and you dont have any birds or bees

    no mow may is just part of a solution



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whils I agree that concreting a driveway is not good from a drainage perspective, unfortunately much of our urban gardens would be quite poor as habitats - most would be fairly crap from a biodiversity perspective. Far too many ornamental plants which provide feck all for insects, lawns mown to be like golf greens, etc.

    Part of the idea behind No Mow May (in my view) is to help condition people into the mindset that a more natural garden is actually a good thing.

    From a national pespective, we have seen a huge amount of our natural habitats removed in the last few decades. Hedges removed or pared right down, more and more monoculture (whether crops or grassland) is having a massive effect on our insect populations which obviously has an effect along the food chain...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭POBox19


    I mow around the edges leaving an island of untouched lawn and there's enough room for the garden furniture on the cut part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    We live in the countryside with rough grazing fields, forestry and ditches, rivers below in surrounding valleys etc. Whatever is causing the loss of insects in particular round here is not lack of habitat. Only a few years ago you'd be plagued by flies buzzing about your head in summer as you walk the road. Derek Mooney and his friends discussed it last year in general and they seemed a bit mystified as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    the countryside is as much monoculture as the city at this stage, nothing but grass, spraying, fertilizer, silage and slurry run off actively making things even worse

    forestry is one of the worst offenders

    ditches cut every year just as all the wildlife is blooming

    rivers mismanaged, lands drained

    undoing this is the big picture

    it is lack of habitat, the suitable patches end up islands in a sea of grass

    Farming in ireland has radically changed the land in the last 40 years, and even more so in 80



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭techman1


    A mowed lawn maybe poorer for the birds and bees but it is not equivalent to a concreted driveway because you still have all the soil with worms and everything. If you see what happens to put down concrete or tarmacadam , up to a foot of top soil and subsoil is removed and taken away, that is a garden that will never grow anything again , no urban garden, no growing vegetables, no birds , no bees. Trying to tar someone just for mowing a lawn is completely over the top.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I think you didn't read what I posted. I didn't say that a mowed lawn was equivalent. I said that it was a poor habitat, which it is. Most urban gardens are shite from a biodiversity perspective - do you really disagree with this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    With respect, you keep trying to shoehorn what I'm writing into your own agenda!!

    Yes, parts of the countryside are heavily managed and partic those associated with intensive tillage and dairy operations.

    But that's not everywhere - the land around here is mostly classified as 'disadvantaged' in old money. There is forestry nearby, planted 25 years ago and if it was sprayed then I can't recall but certainly not since. So forget that.

    About a third of the roadside ditches are cut anyway regularly. Mostly around December and into January.

    Rivers have fish in them, dragonflies in summer and wildlife along the banks. I know because I swim in them in summer.

    There is no lack of habitat here for insects, yet they have declined notably. I think the local honey bees might have been affected by virus, all we see now are the solitary types.

    So why is there a small fraction of the number of butterflies & moths say that there once was when conditions were very similar? I really don't know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭sasal


    I think it's more to get people out of the tidiness mindset.

    I haven't mown yet and we've had loads of bees feeding on the dandelions and then goldfinches eating their seeds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    i'm not shoe horning anything

    it may be disadvantaged, but it is still farmed, the landscape is shaped by it

    i've given you the reasons why this has happened

    its not rocket science

    the forestry nearby is an offender, it is monoculture at its worst

    rivers have seen a massive collapse in fish life and water quality

    when honey bees die off theres nowhere for them to come from, same with butterflies

    this is why habitat areas and lots of them in proximity are important and why not mowing is a good idea, rather than a bad one

    these are the answers to your mystery



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭mojesius


    Can I ask how you went about it? We have a large garden and want to turn a half acre corner into a wildflower garden with some apple trees. We let it (grass) grow a bit wild last year and it was mostly weeds including dreaded gorse started growing so we're back to mowing!

    I've dug a few wildflower beds (6m x 1m) on banks around the garden and did the native wildflower seeding and they're coming on great but no idea how to do a large area covered in grass and weeds. Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    Sure.


    I followed the process that wildflowers.ie outlined, combined with knowledge from friends of mine who do this for a living.

    Killed everything with Round Up in my knapsack sprayer in late Aug. Took everything up in the ride on a few weeks later. Waited til late April and sprayed anything that came up over Winter and into Spring. Waited two weeks and ran over everything that had died with the mower to remove it and leave clean soil.

    Sowed the clay/damp mix from wildflowers.ie and waited....Fairly muted the first year, but to be honest the clay/damp mix can be slow to show colours. Cut everything back in early Oct with a scythe and removed all cuttings. Spring comes late here because there is so much water in the clay soil that it takes an age to heat up, so I don't tend to cut in Spring as is advised. I tend to cut once a year in Sept/Oct.

    Various years have been more or less colourful, last year being brilliant. So it is paying off, but it's slow enough going. I think it's 4 years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭screamer


    We cut the lawn high in summer, and not at all if it gets too dry so we have lush grass when others have straw. Lots of daisys, clover flowers and dandelions usually out there. We’ve started to be less worried about the edges so wild stuff there is ok. Except nettles and thistles that would hurt the kids. Don’t believe in perfectly manicured football pitches of lawns, totally unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    I'm going into my second summer of not cutting my grass, last year was the first summer of my new build house. I have a big site 1.25 acres so there was no way I was going to cut it all. Just sowed No. 2 lawn seed after the build and let nature do the rest. I have cut paths through the lawn and even my teenage kids love the paths, it invites people to walk down them. This picture is from a few weeks ago so its after getting more lush and I have planted a load of fruit trees in the most sheltered part of the site.

    What is the harm with thistles and a bit of gorse they have a job to do also. I was actually very surprised as the amount of little birds were attracted to the the thistles... they were feeding off the thistles all summer and into the autumn (either the seeds or insects on the thistles!) . Don't know was it my imagination but the amount of bats I had during the summer evenings was crazy. I am putting it down to the amount of insects my garden attracted them but I put it down as a good sign the no cutting works.

    Regarding the gorse as you can see I have a load of it along the boundary and I just pulled up the young plants in the winter before they got too big in the lawn, half hour job. But I am in one section letting the gorse grow and it will provide me with some screening and shelter and a bit of colour.

    Wild flowers/weeds can be seen as the same thing....

    Might post a few more pictures later to see my progress.


    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭mojesius


    Thanks @RainInSummer . Sounds like you did a lot of work to get there, glad to hear it's paying off. Appreciate the details of when you did what :)

    EcoMental, your garden is fab. Grassy area looks very lush. Keep us posted.. We also have gorse on our boundaries and plenty of weeds! It was this one section I wanted to make pretty with wildflowers, a few trees and the paths like you have.

    I'd like to keep that section gorse free as it's right beside our neighbours front garden that's quite pristine with just a young hedge separating us, and we are more elevated so everything from our garden will blow in :D Plus we've young kids and there's been a few gorsey incidents already here. I do love the colours from our gorsey boundaries at the back, just wish it didn't spread so fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Sounds too much like a 90s feminist movement



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭DC999


    Class, lovely idea. And great to have a lot of space.

    There is much of a social pressure to mow grass in housing estates I feel. Our garden is fairly wild now for 2 years but a chunk of people think it's just laziness. We are letting it do it's own thing on purpose. Got wildflowers at start of 2020 lock down and have thistles now and load of other stuff I would have pulled out as 'weeds' before.

    Cut the grass maybe 3 times max last year. Was very dry so grew less of course. But amazing how slow it grows when left alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    We have a back garden. Last year I only cut it a few times. Was fine. Nobody died. I also leave the edges and islands to go wild.

    I think of you have terrible soil etc then leaving something un mowed can end up looking awful. I'd say this is why a lot of front gardens end up getting paved over.

    Our last house I had to get loads of top soil. Still had to cut regularly as the grass never grew right there.

    Also ... Anyone getting houses, extensions, etc ... make sure the builders do not take your top soil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Ahem, with all that rain, heat and sunshine there will be some very interesting gardens at the end of no mow may 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ttnov77


    Its interesting how many people confirm the decline of insect but claim there is no shortage of habitat.

    Well some stats: 95% of meadows disappeared from UK and Ireland, Irish forest coverage one of the lowers out of EU- 11% out of which 9% is sitka and only 2% native forest. 80% of hedgerows are of poor quality and many are hacked down to stumps every year… Grazing grass fields everywhere looks green but not much use for insect.

    Still think there is “plenty of habitat”?

    Reminds me folk who was arguing about planting tree in our community estate claiming there are too many trees everywhere lol…,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,370 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    looks lovely, but I'm not convinced that grass is doing any more for bio diversity than a well mown one?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Bellie1


    Is there anyway around using the roundup? I just have a bad feeling about using it .What would happen if rotavated the soil and planted seeds and yellow rattle from wildflower.ie? I know it wouldn't totally get rid of weeds and grass but would they over time dominate the seeds sown?

    Did the rotavation on a little patch at side of house, planted seeds the next day and so far so good( then again it's only been a year).

    Have convinced my brother in law to turn a large site into a wildflower meadow,but he's only doing it on basis he won't have to cut grass and can pay a farmer to come in once a year to cut and take away. His wife will want it looking pretty too. He's oo about paying someone to come in year one for initial setup but I know if there's alot of stages to it,he will back out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,719 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The wildflower meadow will need cutting once a year too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Bellie1


    He's prepared for that, happy to pay someone to come in and cut once a year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭RainInSummer


    For a large area I'm not sure. Typically you'd leave an area under black plastic or carpet for a year to kill everything off. May not be practical depending on scale though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Bellie1


    I might contact guy in wildflowers website to ask his advice. I just had the thought of using roundup , have myself brainwashed that chemical use is a no no but if for the greater good, then I guess will have to use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,095 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I'm not going to encourage you to use roundup if you don't want to, I use it (when all other options are not practical) but its a personal opinion thing. However what you should not do is go for any of the vinegar/salt/washing powder etc ideas on the basis that they are natural. They are not natural, they are chemicals, but not chemicals that have been created to do a specific job with as little collateral damage as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    The amount of roundup you use will be a drop in the ocean compared to what farmers use. Make your life easier. You are not going to make any difference to the amount of roundup used.

    You know all that lovely golden wheat you see in the fields at harvest time. Guess how that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭ECO_Mental


    My no mow May (or mowing at all!!) is coming on grand. I seeded this October 21 so it really only has had only about 18 months of no mowing. As I mentioned I have a big site 1.25 acres so I was not going to mow all if it anyway.

    Some sections are getting more wild than others this section for some reason has sprouted loads of Alder trees and they are flying up now. There is some alder trees in the hedge next to it. I am also letting the gorse grow here as I can section this off and not let the gorse go completely wild and take over the place

    Here is another corner of the site and this is just No.2 lawn seed, the top corner though (with all the buttercups) is the old farm grass that was never touched in over 3+ years and is covered in buttercups and other wildflowers/weeds

    This is a close up of the old growth farm grass, this has not been mowed or cut in three years or more.

    @GreeBo I'm not an expert... but all the environmental and biodiversity experts say not cutting you grass is more beneficial and from my experience I can see it also. Maybe if you don't cut your grass for just the month of May and then cut for the rest of the year it might not have the same impact. But their theory is a lot of insect and bees rely on the early flowers in May for food and its a particularly sensitive time of the year.

    6.1kWp south facing, South of Cork City



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,891 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i can't remember much of the detail, but IIRC if you've a good sized area, you can be better off staggering your 'no mow' areas. favouring different plants which can flower at different times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭ttnov77


    Here is good article https://www.gardensforwildlife.ie/post/irish-native-wildflowers-area-preparation-sowing-and-maintenance

    For large area rotavating and using yellow rattle is great or mow as short and use chain harrow, absolutely no need to use roundup. You will actually get money from farmer to get the hay, not pay or fence off the area and get some farmer to move in his sheeps or cow for winter to graze it down and take them away in january :)



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