Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Russian lies about everything to do with the war, including the reasons for the invasion. It covers up atrocities. There is propaganda on both sides, but anyone paying attention can tell the difference between the extent of Russian lies and the intent behind it. And Ukraine's attempts at military deception and to gain advantage on the battlefield. Saying there is propaganda on both sides is a cop out answer to avoid engaging with the reality.

You have been completely unable to provide independent sources for the falsehoods in your previous posts about casualties.

You have ignored the points to you that Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Russia is using those shells. Russia is the one endangering nuclear plants. Ukraine had no say in any of that. The only war mongering going on is by Russia.

Your representation of some parallel Irish history bears no relation to what actually happened between Russia and Ukraine. It is without merit or foundation.

The myths about this supposed peace deal were already discussed on the thread.

The article you have linked is not a "pretty good article". It is a gross misrepresentation of half truths and lies. It was already discussed and discredited on the thread - see below.

There was no real peace deal. Russia already violated Budapest, this would have been no different. Ukraine knew this which is why they didn't go for it.

It was never a tangible peace deal, it would have just been Budapest Mark #2 or a repeat of Russia's bad faith with Minsk. Something along the lines of Russia retains Crimea and Donbas, Ukraine never in NATO and Ukraine back to relying on nebulous 'security guarantees'.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120154841/#Comment_120154841

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Antipathetic Threadbanned.

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The only warmongers are in Russia who forced this war onto Ukraine despite such agreements as Budapest. An absolutely absurd proposition that you reserve the word warmongers for those in the West and never for those who actually started the war. The moral and intellectual bankruptcy of your position is plain for all to see.

As for Russia's constitution, yeah sure they are "bound" to do that. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and if you think the average Russian cares for the 'annexed' territories the way they do Moscow or St Petersburg you are in fantasy land.

Your understanding of the Biden administration is in similar fantasy territory, an assertion without merit or foundation.

Ukraine know far better than any of us the stakes. They fight on. Why sign another sham peace treaty like Budapest with Russia, which Russia will break at will - next time Ukraine may not have the huge military, diplomatic, financial support from the EU and US and other allies. The only true lasting secure peace for Ukraine is in NATO membership. Finland and Sweden likewise making that same decision.

This isn't a territorial dispute.

No one wants war except for Putin. It was his decision to invade the sovereign territory of Ukraine from day 1, which he has done 24/7 with no sign of letting up. He can turn around at any time and end all this. He hasn't made any other offer to the Ukrainian people except death and occupation down the barrel of a gun.

Demanding Ukraine negotiate is asking the rape victim to negotiate with their rapist, it's perverse.

Demanding Ukraine to give their land as a reward to their invader to buy some temporary "peace" is perverse.

Yet this is the "solution" offered by these individuals who claim they want peace. A peace that, coincidentally, always involves Putin prevailing. Individuals who, coincidentally, speak the same language as the invader, blaming other countries, blaming NATO, blaming the defender.

If Ukraine is to negotiate it will only ever be on their terms, they are pushing Russia back and holding them there, they are grinding down Russia's military machine with their lives, they are expending their blood defending Europe, they'll make that decision themselves.

There are thousands of documented cases of Ukrainians being raped and murdered by Russian troops.

Putin proxy invaded S East Ukraine (Donbas) in 2014. The Ukrainians defended their sovereign territory, as a result people died on both sides, which was 100% a result Putin's decision to proxy invade.

The Kremlin puts that through it's reality distortion machine, chooses only the victims in Donbas, and blames that on the defenders, spits that out. Putin apologists and indirect supporters lap it up and repeat it online. Rinse, repeat.

Good post!

Also doubtful if the figures included pro Russian militua or Wagner merecenaries... the main point being if there is anything like a X to 1 ratio it is in Ukraines favour.

And when challenged no real evidence was provides to support the claim of 7 to 1 in Russias favour. There are some badly doctored images on the internet that really shouldnt be fooling anyone in 2023.

This is a claim of 7 to 1 in Ukraines favour for one specific battle / campaign

And I'm pretty sure that Gatling is very happy that you are ignoring him,, because that way he does not have to reply to your pro Russian/ Putin anti -US / EU drivel. I was talking to an Afghan friend and colleague earlier today, and guess what? He, like thousands of his countrymen are deeply lamenting the departure of the US, and praying for their return. And that is the true picture of the relationship between the US and Afghanistan. What Country ever invaded another, and spent literally trillions of their own money to help the invaded Country? Because, that is what the US did in Afghanistan. They brought it into the 20 century. They also helped Japan and Germany to become economic powerhouses after their defeat in ww2. through the Marshall plan. All Putin has brought to the world is death and destruction. He is the embodiment of pure evil.

The sole cause of all the murder and mayhem and destruction in Ukraine is all down to one man, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and to him alone. Blaming the Ukrainian's for defending themselves from Putin's aggression, and any Country helping Ukraine to defend themselves, is putting the blame in the wrong place. You do realize that Ukraine is defending the EU as well, don't you? Because they are the only ones stopping Putin from attacking the EU, as he has said he will.

Countries, like Finland, join NATO because Putin's Russia is highly aggressive. As recently demonstrated. If Ukraine was in NATO, none of this would have happened. Countries join defensive alliances for that reason. Russia has aggressive plans for countries, e.g. invading them, therefore it's really not keen on them joining a defensive alliance.

It was the same with Hitler. He was highly aggressive, countries therefore joined defensive alliances, he claimed the defensive alliance was "encircling" Germany. Sound familiar? Putin adopted the same twisted logic.

Yes, the agreement that only existed because Russia proxy invaded Donbas, which Putin declared null because, surprise, surprise he was invading the entirety of Ukraine.

Any "talks" conducted by Moscow have so far been a sham for propaganda purposes, similar to their "referendums". Putin's Russia has been invading Ukraine 24/7 since Feb 2022 with zero intention of peace. There's zero reason to believe that the "talks" they offered in April were any different.

As mentioned countless times, this isn't some dispute. One country is relentlessly trying to subjugate and take-over another, it will only stop doing that when it can't do that. Only then, and maybe then, will talks happen.

No one trusts Putin's Russia because they break treaties like it's going out of fashion, when their lips are moving they are lying, and they have been annexing and invading Ukraine since 2014.

Apparently the Ukrainians would rather be "annihilated" than live under an authoritarian jackboot, lose their freedoms, lose their identity, lose their culture, their children forced to speak Russian, be arbitrarily liquidated and all the horrific stuff that is going on in occupied Ukraine.

Is an actress with fringe political views. Her "peace plan" involves rewarding the invader with Ukrainian land. Which a) doesn't work and b) doesn't make any sense.

By another stunning, remarkable coincidence she's also another one of these quacks who repeatedly tries to blame other countries or make "both sides" excuses for Putin's actions.