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Are the English royal family the greatest scam ever played?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't know how they measure the royals as a tourist attraction. I remember hearing they survey tourists and potential tourists and ask what they look forward to seeing in the UK. Or what they know about the UK and what they would like to see of they travelled. So I'd say they're fairly speculative about the revenue they actually get from tourists coming to see the Royal estates.

    But what happens when those foreigners stop saying they're looking forward to seeing the royals in such numbers? Do they still keep them as part of their structure of government because they're a tourist attraction?

    Having a royal family as part of government as a tourist attraction is mad, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Some people change as they get older , and as with Nick Cave you'd wonder if they ever had a principled thought in their heads in their youth , or was it just bs trotted out for interviews.

    In comparison , Robert Smith would not be impressed with an invite , but he probably won't get one after this from 2012 😊

    ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,866 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And we don't have to bow or curtsey .

    Have to say I cannot understand this nonsense in this day and age .

    So demeaning asking people to do this never mind the oath of allegiance .

    I don't know if the other monarchies that are left in Europe expect this from " their subjects" ( even writing that phrase makes me shudder ) ?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's part of the problem but I remain confident that places like Windsor Palace would remain extremely popular without the Royals. It's like trying to assess the safety of cannabis when it's illegal and mixed with tobacco. Hard to say objectively but I think we can make solid estimates.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    There is no obligation to bow, curtsy, etc. when meeting a member of the Royal Family. It’s literally the first thing their website says on the topic:

    “There are no obligatory codes of behaviour when meeting The Queen or a member of the Royal Family, but many people wish to observe the traditional forms.”

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,890 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    didn't trump raise a ruckus by actually touching her though?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Well look at Vienna then, they got rid of their monarchy about 100 years ago and their palaces still do comparable numbers to the London ones (~3 mil). You just have to market it



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Well, their monarchy made... questionable decisions that lead to their obliteration.

    That aside, I don't think much marketing is necessary for the UK. It's one of the most visited countries in the world.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Jonathan2712


    I agree with the 100% and I'm British. Its amazing that in 2023 any nation still has a King / Queen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,837 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I still think its a bit of a hoot how international the british royal family is/was ,

    Especially when a lot of their conservative supporters wouldnt be the most pro-immigration ..

    So the first king of englaland would probably be of northern netherlands stock .. Canute was a Dane , William was Norman , they stuck with frenchies for a bit - till the hundred years war when the same nobility declared themselves english .. bloody Mary was half spanish and married to the king of spain ..

    James the first was Scottish

    William of orange was was obviously Dutch ..

    And they went Hanovarian after that ..

    Before victoria , who was also very very German ...

    Prince Philip was technically Greek royalty --but really german/british aristocracy

    Just saying..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Two weeks before Hastings a Norwegian Viking army tried to invade and were defeated at Stamford Bridge (fair play Murinho).

    The history of the British monarchy is really interesting; Normans, white ship, Plantaganets, Wars of the Roses etc.



  • Posts: 0 Hamza Some Troop


    It’s a bit of theatre, but a very expensive bit, and I wouldn’t care to be funding it out of my tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Dropping the hand was probably a bit much in fairness



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was reading a book called The Anglo Saxons, it's so interesting because when you have grabbed a bit of land by force how do you keep it?

    That's when the flags, standard bearer, pageant, ritual, and anointed by god, come in to it, the monarchy is an invited tradition.

    The monarchy depends on people believing in it, it has no existence outside of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    And believe in it they do .... in spades.

    Scenes on Sky News today from London almost have a medieval feel to them.

    Subjects under canvas on the street waiting to see the monarch's coronation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Based on a few outliers camped out in central London? Not a great basis for that assertion.

    The monarchy is well over a thousand years old. People are going to resist toppling it for all sorts of reasons. This is more likely to be the basis of support for it than any religious fervour, particularly since the Queen died.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I'd hazard a guess that the real outliers are the non believers.

    While the London pilgrims might be relatively small in number all over the kingdom subjects will pay tribute in their own way.

    Whether it is watching on telly or attending a coronation party or just raising a glass of ale in the local tavern to toast the king's health the nation is united.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’m in London and from what I can tell most people are indifferent.

    There are a few flags and bit of bunting but your average man on the street is not too fussed.

    My Nan would be really in to it, my mum a bit less, myself even less and I expect my kids to barely acknowledge them in the future. That said I don’t think we will be a republic anytime soon, most people just don’t care enough either way to make a fuss over it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I kind-of see the continued existence of the UK Royal Family in this form as something of an ongoing experiment in social and political structures. There si something to be said for having a level of government that is stable and not subject to the shifting winds of political opinion i.e. unelected. That doesn't have to be a hereditary monarch, though; it could be an appointed body, such as the Roman Senate, and the UK still has the House of Lords.

    This is one area where the USA got it wrong, in my opinion, by passing the Seventeenth Amendment that made Senators directly elected. Now they have to pander to voters too, and set their priorities to those that will get them re-elected. What's missing, now, is a governing body that will try to do what's right, instead of what it politically expedient. Well, the UK has the unelected Civil Service, and the USA has the Deep State!

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A guess isn't worth very much. IME, most people will just take the free bank holiday without caring where it came from.

    The nation is not remotely united but that's a topic for another forum.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Intuitively I'd disagree with an unelected representative. But the house of Lords has been a really good influence in the Tory years. They're not allowed to interfere with manifesto pledges but they have reigned in the worst non-manifesto policies by the torys in recent times. Some of them are a waste of time, not showing up and not really taking part. But the active ones have a lot of good actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    The ones who support the monarchy are not all true believers. The country is half atheist. Its hard to imagine they actually think the king is appointed by god if they don't believe in gods.

    I wouldn't take viewing numbers as an indication of support. I'll watch some of the coronation because its a historically significant event happing in real time. I'm interested in history so I'd be a fool to ignore history happening right now. But I don't support the monarchy. I'm Irish so it's not really my job to support or not support it. That's a question for the UK to deal with.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It has. It's the only place in the legislature where legislation is actively scrutinised. The problem is that that's a bug, not a feature.

    Good point. I did the 13 hour queue with plantar fasciitis for a similar reason. Even posted about it on this site.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I grew up there but it's a bit comical their colonial history and what's happening now

    Bussing migrants off to rwanda



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah fair play. I had to Google plantar fasciitis but I'm pretty sure I'd have used that as an excuse, no matter how into history I was. I queued for an hour to see Ho Chi Minh. It doesn't compare to your experience except I did it for historical curiosity, not because I support Uncle Ho.

    The HOL being so decent is definitely a bug not a feature. Well put. I wouldn't advocate for more unelected positions, but they have been a generally good influence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,815 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Their country, their business. I couldn't care less.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    My housemate, a Tunisian talked me into it. Ended up having one of the best days of my life as it happens.

    I'd prefer an elected upper chamber but given how the lower one works, I don't have much to back that argument up with.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    To be fair, if the netflix show "The Crown" started with canute, they'd get a ridiculous number of seasons out of it and it would be great telly :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Whatever about being the greatest scam, it must be the longest running one still going. We found out about our so called High Kings a long time ago, and got rid of them. There were more of them, and their scam ran even longer.

    There have been 62 monarchs of England and Britain spread over a period of approximately 1200 years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think UK people all have their own different degrees of belief in the monarchy.

    They can square the circle of being an atheist and having a monarch who is head of a church.

    It's a kind of ala carte approach that allows them to kick the Tories on Thursday and drink the king's health on Saturday.

    You are right watching it on TV is is not active support but it is a form of passive participation.

    Definitely as you say their gig and the rest of us can suit ourselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I can just imagine being in an english pub when the coronation is on, and they put it on the TV, and then when the time comes a group of people stand up pledging allegiance to King Charlie. That would be an awkward place to be. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    I think very few won't know where the day off is coming from all the same.

    In a sense giving people a day off and a bit of pomp etc. is a cheap win for the establishment without having to address all the problems they have but as you say that's another day's work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,872 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Another day's work for another amateur psychologist. Imagine claiming to know the thougths of tens of millions of people on any topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,420 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Its pageantry, a tourist attraction that all and from what I have read before the revenue from it is multiples of the expense of the royal family.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's not a tourist attraction. Tourists flock in to see places, not the royal family. They're a burden.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,420 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Estimated to be worth 2bn a year and cost about 350m a year. They make sense for the british economy.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd be tempted to go to a pub to see if it happens. Nobody will use the term 'virtue signalling' about taking the pledge, because the exact types who bang on about virtue signalling will be too busy signalling their virtue at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,109 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    You'd probably do what many Irish did in situations like that over the years, raise your glass and smile.

    Or maybe drink up and retreat to a pub with an Irish landlord.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Life is rigged regardless, if the UK had a president the person would be genetically gifted, the luck of birth just like how the royals were lucky. Someone like me could never be a president because of the brain I have. You have to win the genetic lottery.

    If you think about it Irish people are hypocrites as they paint Irish kings as some sort of heroic figures. Brian Boru, his castle is a tourist attraction and the GAA are big into fawning over former royals. Tyrone and Meath use royalty as their logos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    I visited there too and got a fridge magnet of my Irish Catholic clan in the gift shop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    There is a real respect and love for the Monarchy across the UK. Wall to wall events up north this weekend. An endless selection. Here is an amazing mural being unvaled by a community in Belfast today




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭Murt10


    Not my circus,

    not my monkey,

    not my country,

    not my problem.

    But i do admit to gleeful pleasure when they balls things up and the frequency that this happens. An amusing sh1t show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,726 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yep. Shankill. A real cross section of the UK population.

    If you enjoy it. Go ahead and enjoy it. Best of luck to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    How come all the anti Catholic church comments are allowed to stay up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Whatever rocks their boat; they’re still segregated from the Nationalist community by walls, barbed wire and what not- I’m a 26 county republican and I will be watching the coronation tomorrow - I’ve also watched many a Queens birthday parade, countless weddings including Charles and Di - I do enjoy the soap opera that is the RF- but that’s where it ends- I have a hell of a lot more freedom in what I say and what I do compared to either Nationalists or Unionists in the 6 counties- many people in ROI will watch the coronation tomorrow- Catholics, Protestants, non denominational- nothing to do with politics- all about the show and the occasion.

    But jayzuz- try painting a picture of Prince Charles on my wall, you’ll get a kicking- nothing to do with politics I might add, just simple destruction of property and he’s an ugly dude too 😛



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,661 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    Just a working class community honouring their monarch. Events are happening all across NI. The wee cross community village beside me will have a big parade tomorrow evening complete with gun salute from canons. It will be a great family event



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