Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

The word is out, Ireland is a soft touch. Many of them expect to be housed immediately and most from countries not at war. The whole IP system is being gamed to bypass immigration controls. Ireland can’t fix the world’s problems.

A computer science engineer from Afghanistan with a degree and a masters, in this climate could probably have his pick of job opportunities in any country with his skillset if done legally, But I highly doubt any of that's true. He'd rather chance Ireland and sleep in a tent. Makes no sense.

A Moroccan where people holiday everyday of the year using the same same old shite excuse of I'll be killed (Why will you be killed? Sounds Dodgy)

A Brazilian who was living in Portugal. OK Then.

A Ukrainian who wasn't living in Ukraine, Where were you living then? and why up sticks and move?

Country is a joke.

If the media are going to try the sob story angle at least get some genuine cases to Interview.

Going by news this morning about Gulf Stream it looks like we be ones leaving.

The whole thing is a cod.

If we really wanted to help refugees we'd take women and children directly from warzones.

Right now it's whoever can make it to the extreme edge of western Europe with a good story gets the "protection".

In almost all cases they don't need protection from nothing.

You probably never heard that Morocco is at war because it's not.

It's a nice destination frequented by many foreign tourists.

I checked the "travel advice" on the department of foreign affairs and again no warnings not to go there.

They simply don't qualify to immigrate legally so they go with the asylum route. That is not what the system was designed for.

It's simply abusive of the system.

You completely missed the context and the point to save face. Ok.

I didn't know I was in a pro immigration brigade. Ye love your labels.

I don't think that the argument being made is as nuanced as you're making it out to be. The post I was responding to was far more melodramatic in its descriptions than simple sincere points about migration presenting some issues and downsides — it was the whole "where is our country" cultural apocalypse nonsense.

Even at that, this idea that you can't question migration without being called a bigot is nothing more than a whinge. Here, I can literally say it right now, I think migration should be subject to controls and limitations. There, I said it, as a Leftie. Any second now I guess I should be at the bottom of a pile on by the Cancel Mob calling me a bigot, right? Well, so far, I'm only hearing crickets.

They only chose to read one email.

I was watching Supergarden on Thursday. The family were from Morrocco and had been given a free Social House in Meath. They said they had been living in Dublin in a small apartment in Dublin for 8 years, God love 'em!

It got me thinking how they qualify to even be here in the first place??? Also, obviously not working too or just doing the bare minimum to keep salary under the amount you qualify for SH. Both adults looked very capable of working to me!

Bit like one of our lovely, local taxi drivers who I rarely see on the rank, picks and chooses his work from experience, has about 5 children and bang has been given an A rated SH around the corner from us.

Only difference is we have paid 315k for our house, will be mortgaged up to our eyeballs for the rest of our working life, work everyday and don't pick and choose our shifts nor impregnated half the local female population!

System is so wrong!

But again, this is melodramatic. Open borders? We literally have an existing policy of borders which are not open. Border control is the status quo. Most people from what I can see are happy for a balance to be struck between border control, the benefits of the Common Travel Area, EU Free Movement and humanitarian considerations. This is not supporting "open borders". I think most rational people understand that there are downsides to this, and there is a liability for the system to be abused, and indeed that abuse should be tackled.

The fact however that our border control is not controlled enough for your particular perspective does not magically mean that you get to say that we have open borders just so you make everything sound so much more dramatic and compelling.

And yeah I have lived abroad and to this day have been in few places where individual rights, tolerance, justice, balanced law and order, stability, living standards and general prosperity are as good as that which we enjoy in Western Europe. And yet these are all the countries where mass immigration should surely have meant the erosion of all those things and Western Europe should be a total shitholes by now and not the generally peaceful stable and good places to live that they are.

Funny that.

Yeah but you're asking this as if it's a hypothetical when we can already point to outcomes. According to the detractors of multiculturalism — Europe has been experiencing decades of mass importation of all these allegedly backwards, useless, ne'er-do-wells who will drag us into a kind of dystopian Shariah Stone Age. But in all this time, social liberalism has advanced, not decreased, people are less religious, not more. Indeed, in our own country, despite what we are told is a supposedly open border policy where any ISIS militant with a sob story about how his cat needing Irish veterinary medicines can get a 5 bedroom house in Castleknock . . . Ireland has become more liberal in the past 20 years and more tolerant — not less.

So the outcomes you seem to present as scary — i.e. letting homophobes into the country — does seem to be more than a bit off-kilter with the fact that monocultural Ireland was a much colder house for gay people than multicultural Ireland. That's not to say that multiculturalism has caused this shift, but it certainly seems easier to argue that it has helped it rather than hindered.