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Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,656 ✭✭✭✭Mellor




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭youngblood




  • Registered Users Posts: 7 sofasurfer90


    Beyond excited for this! :) Ever since watching Memento I’ve been obsessed with Chris Nolans way of thinking and developing (and telling) stories. He could pick out any subject and make it a masterpiece in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,153 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I don't think Emily Blunt was in Mortal Engines..?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Shred


    Looking forward to this and hoping Nolan can get back on track; I saw Tenet once in the cinema and have zero desire to see it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    I really enjoyed Tenet it stands up to repeat viewings. I've a bad feeling this could be more like Dunkirk which I found quite boring, I hope I'm wrong we shall see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Clever, live trailer where the countdown to release updates ...

    https://youtu.be/hflCiNtY6MA



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,327 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    So excited for Cillian Murphy!! What a role! An unassuming Cork man starring as the lead in a Hollywood movie - who would have thought?! 😄



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Well. Looks like while actually detonating a nuke was probably never viable, Nolan claims to have recreated the nuclear tests using practical FX, not CGI.

    "I think recreating the Trinity test [the first nuclear weapon detonation, in New Mexico] without the use of computer graphics, was a huge challenge to take on," explains Nolan in Total Film(opens in new tab)’s upcoming 2023 Preview issue. "Andrew Jackson – my visual effects supervisor, I got him on board early on – was looking at how we could do a lot of the visual elements of the film practically, from representing quantum dynamics and quantum physics to the Trinity test itself, to recreating, with my team, Los Alamos up on a mesa in New Mexico in extraordinary weather, a lot of which was needed for the film, in terms of the very harsh conditions out there – there were huge practical challenges."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That just sounds a bit silly really.

    CGI has its problems, but really...he couldn't just let his opposition to it slide a wee bit and just do the mushroom cloud with graphics?

    'Dunkirk' suffered because he wouldn't bend and use CGI to, at least, make it look like the RAF and Luftwaffe put more aircraft into the air than just a few lads that had nothing better to do that day.

    I get his POV (I share it) and bad CGI is a million times worse than bad practical effects (skill level depending of course). But when it has a negative impact on the finished product you'd have to wonder about the wisdom involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,211 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Nolan used actual planes to film the CIA hijacking scene by Bane in The Dark Knight Rises he is a method director plain and simple.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    or airbrush out those glass apartments along the seafront of Dunkirk.

    I do agree, but as a film nerd I can't help but buzz at the idea someone like Nolan is using the Old Ways to recreate a nuclear explosion. Maybe the desire is to do an "in camera" effect for the actors to properly react to - that'd certainly have more value than a green-screen, if their reactions to their eyebrows being sizzled was real!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Full trailer has landed.

    Looks and feels like a Nolan movie.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Certainly looks as I might expect it to; I can't deny I'm curious to see how Nolan handles what appears to be a more streamlined biopic, rather than the latter-day clockwork toys that were Dunkirk and Tenet. Certainly looks like Murphy might be gunning for an Awards worthy performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,167 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I'm assuming there will be some time-shift shenanigans (Flashbacks-within-flashbacks/flash-forwards etc) as the film is about Oppenheimer himself rather than just The Manhattan Project. So I'm assuming it will be framed around some points in the 50s (Trying to be vague here). But yeah, certainly more of a standard flow alright.

    We all knew Nolan was going to attempt practical effects if at all possible. I have nothing against CGI but I do love when practical effects are used where possible: From Nolan to Del Toro. I'm assuming this will be done via (still massive) miniatures.

    But please, Christopher. PLEASE dial-up the dialogue channel this time. I get it, you like that whole 70s Robert Altman dialogue-vibe. Where dialogue and background audio are all mixed for realism. But Tenet was basically indecipherable for much of its runtime. So dial back Zimmer just a smidge and dial up the dialogue. This has the potential to be really very good for Murphy but, as with Ryan Gosling's Neil Armstong, Oppenheiner wasn't exactly the most histrionic of people so it will be a slow burn. Not as flashy as some. Extremely INTERESTING, yes, but no Al-Pacino-arm-flapping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,427 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Looks very promising.

    Oppenheimer has been in the news this week, Joe Biden.



  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    At 100 Million the budget for Oppenheimer is low for Nolan at this stage in his career.

    You think he would be able to get at least 200 million to make it not 100 million.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Looks good! My last trip to the cinema was for Tenet and this will be my next trip! Nolan is the only director who can get me to the cinema these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Hmmmm, maybe they'll include Compartmentalization. I liked that part of the Manhattan TV series. Oppenheimer sounding like people are not knowing things could be related.. or just the wider world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Looks like a poster for a feckin Marvel movie.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    To be fair the art of the film poster was already dead a good few years before Marvel came along. I'm only suprised the "by Christopher Nolan" text isn't larger lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Cillian angling for a next Indiana Jones?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭raclle


    That's a decent cast as well. Didn't Cillian and Emily co-star together before? I seem to remember them in something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    The sequel to A Quiet Place?

    Don't think this one will be quiet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Sure it's not the hunger games that the poster is reminding you of?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,087 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    nice trailer. Looking forward to this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    It looks good but you can kinda fill out the story in your head based on it.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    its as if we kinda know the story somehow already.....



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Looks like they'll highlight an important detail that was always a really interesting, apocalyptic anecdote about the Manhattan project: that the scientists couldn't be sure the bomb wouldn't ignite the Earth's atmosphere & kills everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    no sht sherlock, still would have been better with a trailer under a minute

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Indiana Bones, maybe.


    It looks like a Nolan movie. And that's enough to get me into the cinema - even if Tenet was underwhelming. Bonus, I think it's great to see Cillian landing a major leading role.

    Might be an unpopular take, and I don't even know why, but I'd rather they cast someone other than Matt Damon here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    calm down, calm down, its a story that's pretty well know, there isn't some twist to be revealed

    the trailers about 1m long if you remove the slow mo explosion and the floating text



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭buried


    Yeah I was sure they would leave that nugget out but they seem to be really highlighting that fact by blatantly placing it in the main trailer.

    The likes of David Lynch only cryptically alluded to it in his last Twin Peaks work.

    Looks great anyways, a trip to the cinema event you will absolutely have to go to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Cordell


    They were eventually sure that it's not possible to initiate such a reaction. And it wasn't ignition, it was a potential fusion reaction involving nitrogen, that's something that was going to end very fast either way...

    Also there is this tv series about Project Manhattan, it's not historically accurate but it's still worth a watch:

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/manhattan/s01



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    IIRC, Enrico Fermi was still jokingly offering odds on the notion of disastrously disrupting the atmosphere in the days leading up to the test, even after it had been discounted. One of the more amusing anecdotes. Less amusing, though admittedly and regrettably tongue in cheek, was the opinion voiced about reaching out to the Japanese and invite them to witness the initial test as opposed to using the weapon as a city-wide device (something that more and more of the team had significant concerns with, not to mention against Japan to begin with) - at that point there were still concerns that it might not work, and 'what would that demonstrate' - to which one of the scientists working with Oppenheimer suggested that 'they could just kill them if it failed' and the enemy would be none the wiser.

    Been a while since I read American Prometheus, but it was a pretty fascinating biography, in which the actual test was decidedly low-key, bookended by the story of a fascinating individual. I'd imagine the film will obviously concentrate a significant amount on Los Alamos/Trinity, but you can obviously see from both trailers the black and white sections dealing with Strauss, the AEC, security clearance hearings etc. Be interesting to see how much story it invests in covering the doubts, concerns and objections. Well worth a read for anyone interested at all in the subject matter and the early stages of the nuclear arms race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Martin Cruz Smith also wrote an earlier thriller called Stallion Gate which was set against the Manhattan Project. It posited the theory that the Jewish Oppenheimer might have been a communist sympathiser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    There is a whooooole lotta stuff that might be in the movie after the manhattan project, the communist stuff especially...

    withdrawing his security clearance. and his interest in other parts of physics. family life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    TBF......he was very much sympathetic with early communist ideals, but technically, never an admitted member of the American Communist Party, but very much a 'fellow traveller', as they conjectured back then. Far too off-track to go into, but his associations with the likes of Chevalier and Tatlock was very much used against him. Add in his brother's associations, admitting lying to army intelligence about an alleged attempt to funnel information to the Soviets regarding the development of the atomic program, plus good old fashioned political motivations, he was very much onto a losing case when Strauss and the like moved against him.

    Wouldn't imagine it'd be too difficult to write a story based around the part of his character, but the true story is almost a thriller in itself. Be interesting to see how much is made of it in the film, and considering the likes of Florence Pugh as Tatlock, Benny Safdie as Ed Teller are featured and judging from IMDB, Chevalier and Eltenton are also cast, it'll no doubt spend a lot of time on the more 'grey' aspects of the man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Bingo


    (and explained much better than my twee lines)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    As far as I recall, a lot of the scientists who worked on Manhattan would have had broad Socialist sympathies, as opposed to "Communist" ones, in the shape of Stalinism anyway. I think Leo Szilard also was a Socialist.

    But, no doubt, the movie will go into the clashes that Oppenheimer had with the likes of Edward Teller, who always bore a grudge against Robert and sought to do him down in the 1950's. Teller, himself, became an outcast amongst the scientific community because of his pettiness towards his former Manhattan colleagues and his increasingly vocal support for bigger and more devastating nuclear weaponry and apparent disregard for human life in the result of a war with them. I believe he eventually became a proponent of the "winning nuclear war" fallacy.

    Teller later became a figure of satire too and was central to the psychopathic makeup of Dr. Strangelove in Kubrick's movie.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Oh yes, very much more a 'humanistic' view on the socialist spectrum, and in essence, even members of the American Communist Party became very disillusioned with what they were hearing from the Soviet Union leading up to the war and beyond, not to mention Oppenheimer himself, and what the world came to know as 'Communism' was very much at odds with his core beliefs.

    In his early life, he strongly fell into workers rights, unions, donated to Spanish rebels fighting in Europe, led political debates among the scientific community along with other leading socialists, and, yes, ACP members. But the 'membership card-carrying security risk' that Strauss and such portrayed was very much a targeted character assassination. His powerful influence on the scientific fields and his concerns over the direction of the atomic world were marginalised, and its not even that long ago that the US Government finally overturned the findings of the commission and ruled it was a mistake to remove his security clearance, and posthumously apologised.

    Teller is an interesting one, following a belief at odds with Oppenheimer's urging towards a policy of openness with the rest of the world with regard to atomic weapons. Even the likes of Szilard's belief of the need for atomic weapons to end war was tempered by an understanding to ban production or urge leaders and the military towards a more surgical approach to atomic warfare with tactical nuclear weapons used as weapons of war as opposed to city-busting blunt force instruments with Teller and such striving towards thermonuclear development.

    What Oppenheimer, Bohr and various other scientists originally envisioned as a weapon which would end the war against the Nazis, which would in turn also lead to an end to all war. Adopting an open nature with other countries and sharing of knowledge would remove the fear of the technology and allow people to work together. Probably naive and showing some misunderstanding of the nature of humanity, which is part of a separate and much larger discussion, but then there are some that would argue that while we have lived under the threat of nuclear weapons, we haven't pushed the button. Yet.


    Edit - actually only back in Dec re: the overturning of the AEC https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/17/j-robert-oppenheimer-atomic-bomb-security-clearance

    Post edited by McDermotX on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Would their communist sympathies have been more of the enemy of my enemy is my friend type thing towards the Nazis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives




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