Laura Trevelyan seeks atonement for the Famine/Slavery

Did you count them? Or do you believe the people who heard from someone who heard from someone who thought they heard from someone that it was 1 million?

Only a few decades after the troubles in N.I., many young people in Ireland think the British army caused most of the deaths there: yet Republicans killed 60% of the total, the loyalists 30% and the security forces less than 10%. And 99.9% of the destruction to property was caused by Republicans.

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There has been a lot of anti-British brainwashing over the generations about the famine and it is amazing the amount of people who believe it. Fact is, in 1847, at the height of the Famine, Ireland exported 39,000 tonnes of wheat, and 98,000 tonnes of oats , and imported 199,000 tonnes of wheat, 12,000 tonnes of oats and 682,000 tonnes of maize. Net imports of 756,000 tonnes, a change of 1,140,000 tonnes.

Can't remember where I read the story* now but what struck me was the claimed ignorance (used in it's literal sense in that she didn't know) her family's history. Methinks, rather odd really. But, as she's now 'become a full-time slavery reparations campaigner' - there's no such thing as bad publicity, is there?

Cynic slopes off (Can I say that these days?)

* BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-65440287

1841 census proved useful in ascertaining numbers who died and those who emigrated. Food exports increased during famine years largely to fuel the British industrial revolution, incidentally the British working class were large consumers of potatoes also due to low cost. British agriculture had suffered as the focus on industry increased and a reliable food source was necessary to keep the cogs going. The large presence of British army regiments to export the food essentially at gunpoint illustrates this. Of the largest landowners only one was Irish - O Neill. Church of Ireland bishops owned almost 700,000 alone, interestingly Trinity was one of the largest landowners. The majority were of British peerage. The implication that because exports increased, the farmer on the conacre benefitted is ridiculous.

Largest landowners c._of__i._bishops_irish_acreage.docx (live.com) data_on_57_largest.pdf (irishholocaust.org)

LANDLORDS - THE IRISH HOLOCAUST

I think my ancestors may have been oppressed by the Bronze Age Sea People.

Not so long ago, (four years ago) , trade figures show we imported 72,000 tonnes of spuds last year, mainly from Britain. At the same time we exported just 3,000 tonnes last year, worth a measly €1.7 million, and mainly to Britain and Northern Ireland. Why does Ireland import 44,000 tonnes of British potatoes each year?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/why-does-ireland-import-44-000-tonnes-of-british-potatoes-each-year-1.3721341

And in the past decade there were no makey upey soldiers forcing us to import so much, same as there was back in 1847.

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There has been a lot of anti-British brainwashing over the generations about the famine and it is amazing the amount of people who believe it. Fact is, in 1847, at the height of the Famine, Ireland exported 39,000 tonnes of wheat, and 98,000 tonnes of oats , and imported 199,000 tonnes of wheat, 12,000 tonnes of oats and 682,000 tonnes of maize. Net imports of 756,000 tonnes.

Are you for real? How about reading a history book - there's a lot to choose from - or even just a Wikipedia article? YouTube can be good sometimes as well.

I have never even heard of Chris Fogarty - he doesn't sound very "main-stream". How did you manage to hear of him and why are you referencing him now when he wouldn't be considered a leading authority on the subject of the Irish famine of the 1840s.

Also why are you so presumptuous as to the nature and type of history books I have read? I'll decide for myself on my choice of reading and whether it follows a biased slant or not, thank you.

And you still haven't explained why one million people starved to death if there happened to be so much food knocking around. You have a good night too...

Probably closer to 100,000. Plenty of historical revisionism and brain-washing. Some authors of books on the famine like Chris Fogarty cannot even get the most basic of facts about modern day Ireland right, never mind what happened 180 years ago.

The Catholic church had a huge amount property, money, art, etc in Europe and did not give anything, instead it collected from the poor to build more churches and cathedrals - should it not have given something to famine relief if it was that bad?

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There has been a lot of anti-British brainwashing over the generations about the famine and it is amazing the amount of people who believe it. Fact is, in 1847, at the height of the Famine, Ireland exported 39,000 tonnes of wheat, and 98,000 tonnes of oats , and imported 199,000 tonnes of wheat, 12,000 tonnes of oats and 682,000 tonnes of maize. Net imports of 756,000 tonnes.