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RACISM IN THE GAA

  • 12-03-2023 6:34pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭


    I'm starting this thread because I don't think this will be the last incident of thsi nature in the coming years and decades. Fair play to the Waterford minors for walking off and protesting this incident. Perhaps, a culture of similiar walk offs will prevent this type of thing from happening in the future. I wonder might it help the refs in their battle against abuse.

    "A minor inter-county hurling challenge match between Offaly and Waterford was abandoned following an alleged incident of racist abuse.

    The match, played two weeks ago in Dunmore Training Centre near Kilkenny, was into the second half when a Waterford forward is alleged to have been verbally abused by an Offaly opponent, leading to the Waterford team walking off the pitch in protest.

    It’s understood the player, a highly talented young forward from one of the Waterford city clubs, has experienced similar abuse in previous matches at club and schools level.

    While Waterford were incensed over the incident and unrepentant in taking the stand they did, the matter has been resolved between the counties and Waterford are happy to “move on”.

    The hurler accused of the abuse is believed to have accepted his wrongdoing and written a letter of apology to the Waterford player while sources say that Offaly officials were keen to be seen not to condone the behaviour and made their remorse known on the night. There isn’t expected to be any further action taken."

    Waterford minors walk off after hurler was racially abused in challenge against Offaly - Independent.ie



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭PeggyShippen


    It's an issue ,has been for ages and I think it's still under reported . It's totally unacceptable. Sanctions need to be bigger . I think Warwickshire have been pushing for bigger sanctions coming from a more diverse background in the UK Midlands. They've had a player badly abused..

    Look iv a Church of Ireland mate who hurled and his brothers did aswell. I asked him if he ever had hassle. He said 'tonnes of it' from 'jaffa' upwards..( orange centre) . We've very few Protestants, Eastern Europeans playing our games.

    Support 🇮🇱 Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭Shank Williams


    Crickets in here but the GAA is rife with it- tribalism comes built in- the worst **** I’ve ever heard someone say to another person was in a GAA match (abuse over a relative of person who had committed suicide- all forgiven in the name of getting an edge- dead right that Eastern European /people of African descent are conspicuous by their absence when that is not the case on other sports.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a sledging problem where it's almost a case of a person can say anything they want to you on a GAA field and then you are expected to shake that person's hand at the final whistle. There's something very wrong when not shaking an opponents hand is seen as more unacceptable than verbally abusing an opponent.

    The racism issue is difficult to properly gauge yet as the playing pool still isn't the most diverse but just from looking at underage in my own club things are beginning to change a bit in that respect. But I have no doubt we will more frequently hear about incidents such as this in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭brokenbad


    Sledging in particular is a blight on the game.

    Doesn't just happen on the pitch either - non playing staff get involved too......a most notable case was a few years back involving a high profile inter county match official who made personal abuse at the referee during a club match.

    Referee reported it - the perpetrator got a ban - subsequently appealed it and got away scot free because of who he was....

    Makes a mockery of the whole "Give Respect - Get Respect" ethos



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭CaboRoig


    Couldn't agree more with you. I've seen things in all sports and thought to myself, how the hell would you shake hands with that guy after the final whistle?

    On the racism thing, thankfully I've not seen anything during my time involved. We have an African born lad on our senior team and he's extremely popular with the rest of the lads and tells me he's never had anything racist said to him since he joined us 4 years ago. And strangely, he took up a bit of junior soccer last year to keep fit for the GAA and one of his team mates got suspended for racially abusing an opponent!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I'm not trying to be smart but that belongs on the abuse of referees thread and is from 8 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,402 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Well, the one positive in this incident is that the team walked off to protest - leaving people in no doubt that this is not acceptable.

    Easier to do in a challenge match admittedly, but fair play to the Waterford lads here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,008 ✭✭✭kksaints


    Rotten stuff, I don't particularly like Lee Chin after the Wexford FC playoff in 2016 nonsense but nobody deserves crap like racist abuse. Hope the "supporter" gets a harsh punishment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Disgusting stuff. That person should be banned from all GAA grounds for ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    I find your comment ridiculous. Why has not playing a poxy soccer match, when he was 23, and your dislike of him to be put front and centre of a post about the man being racially abused?

    Time and place. Ballsology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭thefa


    Few Protestants and Eastern Europeans playing GAA is not something I would think is linked to racism, not these days at the very least.

    The reality is the sports are not easy to play at a casual level and vast majority playing will have started in primary school. Add to that coming from a background where sports like soccer were prioritised, have more media coverage and compete in similar time slots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    A local NS had two Ukrainian boys star in a Cumann na Mbunscol football final.

    I think gaelic football is easy to play. Kick, catch and handpass are easy enough, good coordination skills.

    Hurling can frighten other nationalities a bit more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭thefa


    Completely agree, football way easier than hurling but even football is not inviting unless you started playing underage with your mates in my opinion.

    I was involved up to recently with a rural football club and primary school age is key to get newer families to the community involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    Shocking stuff, bans need to happen, and if they can't ID the offender, the club needs a major fine to send a message.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭Shank Williams


    Gaelic football is one of the least skilled ball sports so not sure what you are on about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    The offender was not from the club where the match took place



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭thefa


    Give the full sentence another go there. Bit more to it than your response implies.

    As for one of the least skilled, you’re entitled to an opinion I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    Was the match abandoned…? Anyone any idea if the venue Wexford or Tipp…? Definitely wasn’t one of the regular grounds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,006 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Was in Carrick Davin’s pitch in Tipp. Called off 68th minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,878 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Was on in Carrick on Suir. Was a fundraiser organised by the local club. The offender is from another club in the South of the county. Whether he is an actual member of his home club is another matter. Either way this should be a case for the Gardai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭newhouse87




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The racist language used was shocking and I hope they are able to identify the perpetrator and ban him. Someone knows who he is.

    Also, the fact that there was a fight/scuffle in a CHARITY match points to other issues in the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,217 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    How can they ban him ?

    Maybe can be banned from his local club house but not club matches or Tipp matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,685 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Well even a ban from his local club would be a start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,217 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If he has one. Lots of GAA fans don't.

    The Gardai is the only solution that might get some punishment for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭Jeju


    Was drinking with a fee lads from various countries and a few of us tried ro.promote GAA to them, saying their children should start playing. The response is that soccer is a better sport with a possibility small enough as it is that if you become successful you are financially rewarded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Wexford chairman Micheal Martin has said a full investigation is under way into the "appalling" racist abuse of Lee Chin during an inter-county challenge match against Tipperary in Carrick-on-Suir on Saturday.

    A supporter aimed the abuse at Chin in the closing stages of the match, with the referee subsequently blowing it up early as Wexford players angrily confronted the spectator in question.

    Tipp, Wexford and the GPA all subsequently released statement condemning the incident, with Martin confirming that discussions have been taking place over the weekend in relation to the next course of action.

    "It's been widely seen at this stage that there were comments of a racial nature made towards our captain Lee Chin," he told RTÉ's Morning Ireland.

    "I think wisely at that stage, the referee called time. I would say we in Wexford are proud of the reaction of our players. I think they called out the action very promptly.

    "It’s been widely acknowledged since that what happened was appalling, it was wrong and there’s no place for it in sport or society."

    Asked what steps Wexford would take next, Martin replied: "I’ve been talking to the chairman of Tipperary on a number of occasions since.

    "It's important due process does take place and that there’s an investigation… I would like to see it done quickly."

    "Tipperary GAA and ourselves have taken it very seriously. We’re also liaising with Croke Park and an investigation has already commenced I would say and is progressing."

    In Congress at February, a new anti-racism rule was passed. Any act, deed, word or gesture of a racist nature, now carries a 48-week suspension. A repeat infraction carries 96 weeks.

    Martin added: "The rules of the GAA did change at a recent Congress in regards to this particular area, so it is quite defined in relation to the process that will take place, but an investigation will take place now.

    "It’s important due process does take place and that there’s an investigation… I would like to see it done quickly.

    "I don’t want to propose specific suspensions here because that would be to prejudice this particular investigation that’s ongoing at the moment but there is a number of options open to the committee up to expulsion from the association depending on how the severity of the particular incident.

    "I spoke to Lee yesterday. It’s important here to consider a number of factors. Lee first of all, and his family because generally when anything is said to players of any nature it’s their family member who will take it to heart more.

    "Players, to a degree are used to this, not that they should be used to it. Lee has spoken previously about this.

    "He’s also spoken about the importance of challenging this type of behaviour, not just for himself but for the players who follow in his footsteps."

    On The Sunday Game, analysts Anthony Daly and Liam Sheedy said the GAA must come down hard on the perpetrator.

    "The association have to take a hard look at this," said Sheedy. "There's youngs kids and a lot of people at the match, it's gone viral on social media, so its out there. People do get heated and excited at matches but you cannot condone that type of behaviour. It has no place in the GAA. It's not acceptable.

    "One of the greatest ambassadors we have in our game is Lee Chin. He's an incredible chap on and off the field."

    Daly agreed, adding: "[Tipp manager] Liam Cahill and his men will be just disgusted as well. They'd have the height of respect [for Chin]. It has to be stamped out completely."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    A lot of the condemnation of the racist are going on about what a great hurler Chin is. Being great at hurling is utterly irrelevant. Most of the condemnation does not feel genuine to me. If it was some mediocre Junior B player, as has been happening for decades, most in the GAA would not care I think. I’ll believe real change when I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    There is an instance of an underage players being protected just as much earlier in the thread. And reread the previous post to yours for a full and detailed response to the Chin incident beyond saying he is a great player (which is only a kind human response to the issue anyway.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,842 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Maybe your right but it just feels more of a PR drive than anything genuine. Time will tell though. Remember this incident is on the very low end of what regularly occurs at GAA and other sports matches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Just have to keep challenging it when it happens in the stands and on the pitch. When it's done at the top, people tend to realize they have the power to stop it also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭CWMMC


    How is Lee Chin and Rory O Connor calling out blatant racism a PR drive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,006 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    What the hell is this? It's borderline victim blaming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Some of the replies to this interview/tweet are unbelievably stupid




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,460 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Its been going on for years. I played with couple lads in 90s who were not Irish and the **** they got was unreal.

    GAA is actually worse than soccer too for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,984 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Racism can be an issue in any environment. It really is down to where those with racist leanings are.

    Are there a larger percentage of racists that attend GAA matches versus attend other sports or are in general society? I don't personally believe so. Does society have an issue with dealing with racism?

    I think there are certain people who's lack of education and/or life experience who need to be better educated around the dangers of racism, and instances of racism in any environment treated with the contempt it should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭crusd


    Jaysus. Having a read of that thread really is informative as to the complete absence of any brain cells within the far right.

    it is quite bizarre the number of them who profess that encouraging more people from diverse backgrounds to integrate into the GAA is somehow “racist against whites”. It really is an anti reality mindset



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭grbear


    It's the accounts that use their real names, location and a picture of themselves (occasionally with their family) that really baffle me. Some troll using a pseudonym and a profile picture of Hitler wearing a Mayo top, while clearly a horror of a person, is at least displaying enough self awareness to know that most of society finds what they are saying objectionable.


    Like, I often second guess myself when it comes to discussing issues like race or sexuality because I don't want to express myself poorly and come across as bigoted. There's people in the replies just coming out with unquestionably racist stuff and putting their name on it. WTAF?



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