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Boxing as a sport should be banned in fact any so called sport that involves hitting another person

  • 06-05-2023 10:27pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Any sport that involves hitting another person should be banned. They are stupid and dangerous.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That UFC thing is utter barbarity, and a real sign of how we've become used to things that give us short-term dopamine boosts but leave us unfulfilled and sad at the end of it.

    Mopping up blood before the next fight while that meathead Joe Rogan keeps baying the crowd.

    Abhorrent stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    This thread needs some Hagler Hearns to clear the stink.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,076 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    In ideal world I would agree, but in this world, banning something just sends it underground. That process tends to remove whatever safeguards were in place before it was banned.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,808 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    And as for WWE, why are the wrestlers so mean to each other?!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sweden and I believe Norway banned pro boxing for decades, until they realised that amateur clubs were still conducting pro-style sparring sessions with the windows blacked-out and the doors locked. Ban is lifted and Sweden is back to being not a ridiculous country any more.

    Imagine the Gardai peeping in windows and arresting people for boxing sparring. Faintly ridiculous.

    Anyway, Gatti/Ward 1. A beautiful moment in time and a night of sheer glory. Please enjoy...




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    We should ban soccer then, right? All those horrific injuries where they're literally rolling around in such tremendous pain. It's just not right to let it continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes please. I would have no problem with that.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭policarp


    It's a macho thing.

    Bulls fighting for cows.

    Deer rutting.

    Blokes trying to prove their masculinity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Sport or war.

    I'll take the sport. Fewer unconnected civilian injures.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jocelyn Wailing Ranch


    Come on now, Yurt, don't forget the wimminz.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,420 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    First of the sport is called MMA, mixed martial arts.

    You can win by submitting your opponent not just knocking them out.

    Probably the safest type of combat sport and requires a huge amount of technical skill at pro level.

    Don't watch it if you don't like it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ahusband


    Would rape be ok if it was in an arena with an audience & safeguards? extreme yes, but neither is a positive thing.

    Boxing should be consigned to history, people who want to see other people beat each other up should question themselves as to why they have this desire to watch people inflict injury on another.

    It is not and never has been a sport, it is just socialised thuggery made acceptable through advertising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    'Boxing is the sport to which all other sports aspire'.

    • George Foreman

    So that'll tell you what HE knows about hurling, but anyway...

    Ignoring the dull misandry AND misogyny of 'macho... trying to prove masculinity'; the puny distaste for things that just happen to require more testicular fortitude than you have; the daft delusion that combat sports need the oxygen of advertising.

    How about, if you don't like boxing and other combat sports, then just move on ? How about a nice cup of tea ?

    Look after your own affairs, and let others mind theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ahusband


    How about we behave like civilised people and not blood thirsty neanderthals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭taxAHcruel


    Quite a poor analogy there. Rape is by definition the destruction of the consent of one human being by another. Boxing and MMA in contrast involve two consenting adults who have not just chosen to be in that arena on that night before the cameras - but have engaged in years of training beforehand in order to fulfill and work towards their own personal choice to do just that.

    Your comparison therefore is not just "extreme" as you put it - but outright ridiculous.

    The human compulsion to ban things one personally does not like is beyond my comprehension to be honest as I do not share it. What consenting adults choose to do - or choose to watch other consenting adults do - is exactly that. A choice. Everyone else can and probably should choose to not partake and not watch those who do. And everyone can continue on happily each in the bubble of their own choices for how they live their own lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    And what about self defence training for those who don't want to be victims of the army of scumbags that our wonderful welfare state and ludicrously lenient "justice" system are churning out? Should that be banned too?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Boxing is an incredible sport , corrupt as **** though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭blueskys


    A few distinctions needed. Amateur boxing is a sport. Professional boxing is a business, just like professional UFC etc. I would never seek to defend professional boxing, it's a mugs game. Also do not confuse intent and result; its actually quite difficult in amateur boxing with large padded gloves to land a clean head shot. Rugby has proven to be more dangerous than boxing in this regard. The intent to do injury is not there, but the result is. This is proved scientifically. Rugby results in worse head injuries, neck and back injuries than amateur boxing. So do you want to ban that as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    A few people on here still haven't learnt how to turn off their TV. If they don't like something why don't they just do something else? Why do these people think they can make decisions for other adults they don't even know? Training for boxing or MMA is a brilliant way to get into great shape. Most of the world's banning brigade are people who lack common sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    The problem with boxing is not just the risk of immediate injury (although that is there too, particularly in pro) but the insidious damage, increasing the risk of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy later on. Same story with rugby. People who box or play rugby and rely on "heavy gloves" or "concussion protocols" to keep them relatively safe are taking a big risk with their future health. Also, a lot of participants are under 18. But to be any good at any sport, you generally need to start as a child so banning boxing for children would have a major impact on the sport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Things are not 'blood thirsty' or 'neanderthal' just because you don't have the stomach for them, and per se, pusillanimity is not civilised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Would rape be ok if it was in an arena with an audience & safeguards? extreme yes, but neither is a positive thing.

    Rape is never OK. There is no way rape could ever be OK. Rape is about having control and power over another human without any consent mostly Men over Women but there is some Men who like to feel that kind of power over other Men too.

    Don't watch it if you don't like it.


    Believe me I did not want to watch it and I did not I kept flicking channels hoping it would be over. I will be complaining to Sky about this too and reporting them for false advertising as well but the F1 qualifying was supposed to be on not that dangerous sport and If it was not bad enough they talked **** for almost 30mins after the fecking thing was over.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Had the misfortune to be in the National Boxing Stadium a few years back, the crew that was at it was far more intimidating and violent than those in the ring. Never again.

    THe whole thing in the 26 counties seems to be controlled by travellers , the boxers & families from the 6 counties seemed to be the only people not intimidated out of the sport at this stage & not afraid to stand up to them .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I take it that you are aware that people have died racing in F1 or does danger is sport only matter with the sports you don't like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭greyday


    MMA, Boxing etc has two consenting adults talking part so your intellectually disabled comparison with rape is childish.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Boxing causes brain damage. You'd never get me into a ring.

    /drinks varnish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,849 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes but at least in F1 they are not boxing each others brains out and making other people think that it is exceptable to do this. No one in F1 or any motorsport is trying to injure someone else whereas in boxing that is exactly what they are doing damaging and injuring their opponent.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    Two words: Punch Drunk.

    Incredibly sad to see old legends of the sport struggle to string a sentence together because of brain damage incurred during their career. No amount of money fame or legacy can compensate for what these guys have lost.

    And the idea of kids getting in the ring and subjecting their undeveloped brains to this damage? Crazy.

    No responsible parent would willingly allow their child to do this. Head gear doesn't completely protect you either.

    For this reason, I don't really see Katie Taylor as a great role model for young kids. Perhaps in terms of her professionalism and application to her craft, but beyond that not really... you can already see the very early signs of brain damage with her. Hopefully there aren't too many young girls hoping to emulate her by stepping into the ring. It's a dead end profession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    Right, and I suppose driving at over 200mph is not dangerous? It's actually called trying to win a competition, nobody is forcing them to enter.



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  • imo if you need to start pointing at other sports or events as “just as bad” or “but look what they do”, it’s not a strong defence tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well given the links with criminality, it looks like it's slowly being cancelled already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I disagree, the point is more that fact that banning any sport due to small risks is really dumb thinking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭eggy81


    Boxing is a great sport. Great for fitness and discipline. Learning some form of combat sports and self defence should be compulsory in kids imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Try banning rugby first and see how that goes before doing anything rash.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭eggy81




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    There are people who want to control the lives of others and dictate what they can and cannot do, what is acceptable and unacceptable.

    Those people are the scum of the earth, evil in its purest form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Yeah, can we not all just be nice to each other?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    When I see people talking about hunting I often think that if they have something to prove they should put down the guns and get into a ring with somebody the same size as them. See how brave they are when they're faced with someone who is expecting them and is prepared to defend themselves and mount an attack of their own.

    Fighting of any sort is a bit primeval but at least it's a fair fight between two willing participants. It looks like fun, actually. Let them at it!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly. Some weak defences. Football? What part of football involves punching the head off someone? Oh yeah, the part that would finish your career.

    I don't think boxing and MMA can just be "banned" - it doesn't work like that - but the criticism is valid. As for "if you don't like it don't watch it" - what sort of crap rebuttal is that?! I DON'T watch it - I can still see violence for what it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Tavrin Callas


    I'd rather see the banning of horse racing. Three dead horses at Aintree this year and seven dead in Churchill Downs in the past week. For all the rhetoric of the horses being treated like royalty when being trained, they are quick enough to be destroyed when they're injured, and they are given no choice in partaking in that particular sport unlike boxers and drivers, or jockeys, come to that.

    I know there's far too much money in the industry for the banning to ever be a reality though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    It's the perfect rebuttal. People who dont like a sport should mind their own business and just avoid it rather than saying something stupid like ban it. Nobody is forcing you to watch, do you also feel like people force you to watch violent films?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Heading the ball from an early age has shown to be concusive over time...in soccer.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But I clearly said I don't watch them (so how could you construe from that that I'm saying I'm being forced to watch them?) and that I'm not calling for their banning.

    However nobody can stop me from voicing an opinion on those sports which involve extreme violence. You're basically saying "shut up - you're not allowed an opinion". You don't get to make that call. And I suspect it's because the reality I'm highlighting is an uncomfortable one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    After what was a 50s/60s/70s highpoint the advent of types like Mike Tyson and all the baggage he brought, you'd have thought the sport was on the path to self destruction. Step forward Sky etc and the advent of Pay For View, which actually gave top level boxing a cachet, a sort of prestige across the sporting sphere.

    As health and safety has advanced as well as the various strands of the culture wars, who'd have thought boxing has bucked the trend. Not me. I would have thought it would have been consigned to history by now.

    Quite sad, come Olympics time, all we mostly are good for are a few boxers, for potential medals. I haven't even broached the criminal element which is also a big turn off as it is for many, although many others comfortably disregard those links.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Evil and nazi and fascist really do get misused - by both the left and the right.

    Obviously there are times when it's OK to disapprove - downloading child porn, using heroin, for example.

    As for when it's not anything illegal (but morally questionable) it's rather nuts to say they're "evil". Annoying, busybodies, but evil? They are literally just expressing an opinion too - not actually enforcing anything. Is this not simply free speech?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Tyson, Bruno - plagued by mental health issues. Two kids from troubled, chaotic backgrounds, their trauma monetised. Sonny Liston - horrific background. Nothing wrong with seeing it for what it is. Not the same thing as calling for a banning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,976 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    You can have your opinion, doesn’t bother me. I actually find boxing can sometimes be boring, particularly when the result is decided on points. I'm comfortable with violence as I'm watching adults who know the risks.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Not a fan of boxing or MMA or other combat sports - it does seem brutish, primitive and of course violent and is riddled with dirty money and criminality but it is massively popular with a huge cohort of society, has huge amounts of money sloshing around and I don’t see it going anywhere any time soon. Boxing clubs are deeply embedded in deprived, working class areas and they do give many young lads an outlet for their aggression that would probably be met through criminal means otherwise. These clubs also keep young people in deprived areas off the streets and can instill a strong sense of self-discipline and self-esteem.

    Banning boxing, MMA or other combat sports would simply drive these underground - but in the long-term future I do hope they eventually die out. They are a reminder of the aggressive, violent and barbaric side of humanity that is really only just below the veneer of civility.

    The martial arts such as karate, judo, taikwando etc. I view as being more worthy and honourable than boxing but they are still combative - but these sports have massive popular appeal.

    I would also love to see horse racing go the way of the dodo given the appalling animal welfare issues in the sport but that’s also not a realistic expectation given how popular it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    It's interesting you think that punching the head off someone in football is a career-ending move. It didn't always even get people a red card, as Johnny Giles could tell you.

    But football then was a man's game. Football today of course, provides us far too many cringy reminders why boxing is, in the best sense of the word, the noble art.

    Overpaid soccer wooly-woofters falling like flies and rolling around on the ground in pretend agony. It is embarrassingly degenerate cheating, and unmanly.

    Boxing, in its essential nature, has absolutely nothing to do with the paraphernalia of organised crime, or underprivileged backgrounds, or whatever other half-baked excuse you want to offer.

    Rather, in the words of Theodore Roosevelt who took up boxing for the very reason a lot of other people have not got the balls to do...

    'It is not the critic who counts;... The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;... so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.'




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    If you want to go after a sport go after horse racing, coursing, bloodsports etc...these things are genuinely cruel as you'e torturing animals for your own pleasure, what two consenting adults do is their own buisness, they aint hurting anyone but themselves.



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