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The Pandemic is officially over!

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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,380 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    DLink threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 639 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    True, it can't be proved, unless former editor Paul O'Neill or someone close to him makes a statement. I have read here and elsewhere that people like Claire Byrne, Pat Kenny and Luke O'Neill were guilty of scaremongering. I was always against covid precautions from the start, although I did get my vaccines and 2 boosters, but maybe I'm biased too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Influenza is less infectious than covid, was easier to protect vulnerable through the existing vaccine...why are you talking about influenza to try to justify your skepticism of the covid response?



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    your bad flu was probably a walk in the park to numerous others, your anecdotal evidence means jackshit



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This comment says a lot about you and your opinion, but you're wrong, very wrong.

    Anecdotal evidence based on personal experience means a lot to me and others who have had similar experiences, your dissmissive attitude is typical of posters who refuse to look at reality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Of course it does, I work with facts, not "ah well it didn't hurt me so everyone else must be lying"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    People who dont look beyond their own narrow personal experience arent willing or capable of comprehending reality. Your attitude is anti science which explains the blatant falsehoods and misinformation you have posted on the thread about covid.

    Every major health authority in the world treated covid as a more serious threat than flu. This is borne out in across all metrics - infectiousness, hospitalisations, deaths.

    You demonstrated your basic ignorance about flu by being unaware it could be asymptomatic or mild like a cold. There is no way you could know this from your own personal experience. This fundamentally highlights the flawed basis for your position. It is exactly the same mistake as those who argued against smokings links to lung cancer cos they knew someone who smoked who didnt get cancer.

    Your claims about flu v covid have been repeatedly and thoroughly discredited on this forum. In response you have nothing, no evidence that will convince others - only to shout you are wrong at them. The bluster in your reply is inversely proportional to any real substance.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    The people who are still living in March 2020 are an interesting case study. Like the Japanese soldiers hiding in the woods still fighting WW2 years after it had finished.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 WaterWipes


    Blindly following "the science", the same as blindly following the church or a cult, is a very bad idea.

    Following "the science", backed by a pliant media, is what caused us to have our personal freedoms taken away, not to mention jobs, health services, etc, etc impacted. Those of us who dared to think outside the box knew that the pandemic wasn't all it was cracked up to be, but of course the science said otherwise and as a result got slapped back into our boxes.

    There's lot to be said for gut feelings or as you are very quick to dismiss, personal experience.

    If you don't see people dropping all around you, like the science & government said could or would happen, then you've every right to question the science.

    And don't even think to credit the lockdowns or masks for preventing that from happening because most of the factories in the country kept running, and they're not set up for social distancing. People were still in close proximity no matter what the restrictions required, and we didn't have waves of mass deaths.

    People were glad to embrace the science when it gave them a moral high ground from which to snitch on their neighbours who weren't following the restrictions to the letter, but when the science said "it's OK lads, you can have a life again" they railed against it.

    "The science" was weaponised, and personal experience helped people to see the science for what it really was, a massive over reaction, especially when omicron came along and they tried to drag the arse out of the restrictions but couldn't because we could all see that nothing was happening.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Again zero facts zero evidence... I made specific points about covid v flu. Do you agree that covid is more infectious and more severe overall than flu? And on what basis do you do so? What is remotely cult like about that statement?

    And you lecture me about blindly following with added nonsense about a cult?

    Am happy to discuss masks on the masks thread. As for distancing have you forgotten the outbreaks of cases in meat factories?

    The reasons we why had the restrictions were to reduce spread so that the severe cases would be on a scale healthcare could cope with.

    Its an infectious disease - the authorities were clear from the outset most cases would be mild but the less vulnerable people with mild symptoms could spread it to those more vulnerable. A significant percentage of adults are in that cohort - look at hospital and ICU stats. Eg the 60 year olds with high blood pressure who pulled through ICU. And even among the other cohorts, smaller risk but many cases sends numbers to hospital needing care.

    Every major health authority in the world correctly treated covid as a serious threat for that reason, of a different order to flu.

    Dont even think - your words not mine. Explains a lot of what you have written.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16 not_sure_what_to_pick


    I guess everyone in hospital are faking it because you never had to deal with their condition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Out of interest... do you think that someone else could have caught the flu you had, and was fine with little to no symptoms?



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Possibly, but my doctor said that it was ding the rounds and usually took six weeks to recover from, If that variant of flu had been around today, chances are it would have been reacted to in the same way as the covid outbreak was this time. I'm sure that there would have been a spike in the death rate at the same time that variant went around, same as it does every time we get a bad flu season.

    But don't forget that covid is a coronavirus, a virus that accounts for about 15% of all common colds, it is now considered to be a common cold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    That is blatant medical misinformation. You are mixing up coronaviruses as a whole and groups within it.

    Covid is not considered a common cold.

    From Wiki:

    Coronaviruses are a group of related RNA viruses that cause diseases in mammals and birds. In humans and birds, they cause respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses in humans include some cases of the common cold (which is also caused by other viruses, predominantly rhinoviruses), while more lethal varieties can cause SARSMERS and COVID-19, which is causing the ongoing pandemic.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,764 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay



    Another reference. Its a sad state of affairs when a poster continues to post so much bullsh1t they have taken in from other CT sources.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭Tork


    The question is, when will Covid be over for all of you people who are continuing to post here? Serious question. Do you have date in mind? An event? What? Why are you still posting here? To what end?

    A poster just up-thread mentioned the Japanese soldiers still fighting WWII years after it had ended. There's a real bang of it off this Coronavirus forum. I rarely look at them and it appears I haven't missed much at all. It's still the same people arguing over and over again over the same points. Why? I'd love to see some honest answers. All I can see is a group of people who are addicted to posting here and can't shake the habit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,782 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Hindsight is great. A pure gift.

    It's now 2023, and it's unbelievable how hindsight creates educated geniuses & experts that hadn't a clue, or a word to say on boards.ie when hospital footage was beamed in from Italy in 2020 along with 1900 deaths.

    Should Hindsighter be a new common noun?

    "outspoken boards.ie hindsighter claims, on hindsight, there was an overreaction to the Covid virus in Ireland"

    "popular hindsighter with lots of thanks on their post on boards.ie says Italy should have known better with hindsight, given what we know now"

    "knowledgeable & trailblazing boarsd.ie member hindsighter jumps on to their keyboard to mock nervous 2020 elderly mask wearers who wore masks outdoors given what they know now in 2023"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    ^^ There you go, and thank you @hayrabit ! Excellently timed augmentation to my post. Somebody that had nothing to say during the pandemic & now (in hindsight) feels the Italian death count should be taken to the conspiracy theory forum. There wasn't a pandemic! Nobody died.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Well considering the 2017-2018 flu season was considered the most deadly in 4 decades, I'm calling bullshit on your anecdotal evidence again.

    Anyone who was unfortunate enough to be in hospital around then will remember well the restrictive measures which were in place in all hospitals, and wards being locked down... but, no lockdown measures publicly.

    Do you remember a public lockdown for this flu which would have been considered more deadly that the one that you took 6 weeks to get over from in the 90's, to which you said there would have been a lockdown over? If you do, do please share.

    I don't really care about what you want to say about Covid, I pointed out you're talking crap with anecdotal evidence about the flu, and you backed it up with more anecdotal crap evidence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Indeed the governmental reaction was absolutely unforgiveable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭j2


    Some irresponsible posting in this thread. Covid remains a threat, if you wish to deny that you are free to do so but equally this unscientific world view doesn't reflect reality. A 2 week lockdown in the summer might be the appropriate antidote to the covid complacency which has been creeping in, if only to remind people how quickly things can change. The fact that people need to be reminded of that after what we've been through is mind blowing to me. We're not out of the woods yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 WaterWipes


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    We're well out of the woods, so much so that the woods are barely visible in the rear view mirror through the dust kicked up by the car as we drive away from it at speed!

    covid complacency...

    What about flu complacency?

    What about missed cancer diagnosis complacency?

    What about dying on your own complacency?

    What about all the things that got ignored because the world focused on one health issue to the exclusion of all the other issues that have more chance of killing you than covid???????

    Let it go, you're amongst friends, it's OK to come back out into the daylight.

    A 2 week lockdown in the summer to punish us for having the audacity to get back to living a normal life, eh?

    Jesus wept......



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    You fishes are really biting tonight



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What do you expect, when someone tries to "turn it back on!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,508 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    That post was obviously a wind up but the scary thing is that there are people out there who actually hold that opinion.

    Its chilling that society allowed such people to dictate our lives and take away civil liberties so easily.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Was the death rate twice that of a bad flu?

    You also give zero role apparently for the restrictions in mitigating the deaths until vaccines became available.

    Have the restrictions been proven to have done more harm than good?

    You are making a lot of statements of fact without foundation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Hong Kong flu is estimaterd to have killed between 1-4 million in the 1960s when the world population is half what it is today, covid according to WHO about 6 million

    There is also no proof that the measures actually prevented any deaths either, they just delayed them and as for more harm than good, all you have to do is look at all the adverse events registers out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    None of this remotely begins to prove the statements you made.

    The covid death toll is still rising and the wide range of the Hong Kong flu estimate should raise a red flag on how valid it is for comparison.

    It is not 6 million. That is the figure at a point in time based on confirmed case deaths. It is not established in same way as HK toll.

    And that was the death toll as a function of restrictions in place especially until vaccines available.

    So you are not comparing like with like. There were no such measures for HK flu or very limited ones.

    "All you have to do is look" - nope it is your claim. Onus is on you to substantiate it. So such vague phrasings are weasel words, nothing more.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,380 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    dolanbaker threadbanned



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  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    Beasty banned from Gardening forum in retaliation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    It's perfectly obvious (and always was) that the unlawful so-called "restrictions" increased deaths and didn't reduce them. Never could it have been otherwise. And the injections were not positive either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    More statements of fact presented without evidence. It is obvious when you do so it is because you have none. Dressing it up as 'perfectly obvious' is obvious bluster to conceal this.

    The restrictions were unlawful - again you dont even try to explain how. This is not worthy of serious consideration.

    And they are vaccines. Call them by their proper name. Calling them injections is an anti vax trope.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭Risteard81


    Are they not injections? What is false about that statement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    They are vaccines. Why wont you call them by their actual accurate name?

    It is false because you are being deliberately vague about them for obvious anti vax reasons.

    Your other dig at them that they werent positive is simply medical misinformation without foundation.

    The available evidence cited on this forum demonstrates how they reduced severity and deaths from covid. You do not challenge this evidence. You do not provide evidence of your own. Your claims are false.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 0 Talon Fat Duet


    At the beginning and during the worst of the pandemic I “obeyed the rules” as they say, but it was miserable as I live alone and love going out and about to a moderate extent. It was a time of sacrifice for many, led to some bad consequences too. I’d never want to see the like of it again. I’m glad if it saved lives though.

    I was very pro-vax, but have recently developed a progressing disability. On my medical notes, a consultant neurologist comments on the spike of cases like mine following Covid vaccine boosters and underlined heavily the date of booster and that of commencement of symptoms. Of course the vast majority of people get such reactions, but for those who do it can be a lifelong impairment. Personally I won’t be getting another booster, however I’d recommend anyone getting informed from reliable sources and forming their own de unions.



  • Posts: 0 Talon Fat Duet


    The worst thing about the restricted access to healthcare during the pandemic is the outfall we are yet to realise. Unattended cancers and other serious diseases which haven’t hit the statistics yet, but will do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Across the board it was about Covid at the expense of everything else. My father was lucky as his cancer treatment was at a dedicated unit that was not comandeered for Covid use, but the real elephant is the extent lockdown destroyed mental health and livlihoods.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    hold up, so all these excess deaths aren't from the vaccination itself like I've been told

    **Pikachu face***

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 0 Talon Fat Duet


    One statistical method to determine the relative rate of late cancer discoveries would be a comparison of the date and stage of diagnoses from two years before pandemic to the next 3 years. Would be interesting to see the graph.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    In the UK alone, Diabetes deaths have tripled since the pandemic, which is directly attributable to people not receiving preventative care in a timely manner, due to the pandemic... so heart issues and cancers will be exorbitant numbers..

    but no, it is definitely the vaccine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Re: Diabetes, there is also the possibility that long covid increases \ triggers diabetes. Similar studies have shown links to heart issues from long covid. So you can't just look at those figures either and say it is because of delayed \ cancer care.

    There is evidence to suggest that beyond the acute phase of COVID-19, survivors might be at an increased risk of developing incident diabetes, and increased risk of incident antihyperglycemic use in the post-acute phase of the disease. Diabetes should be considered as a facet of the multifaceted long COVID syndrome.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(22)00044-4/fulltext#:~:text=Altogether%2C%20there%20is%20evidence%20to,acute%20phase%20of%20the%20disease.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Looks like Long Covid becoming a catch-all is unavoidable, since it is hard to seperate what is/was directly related to the bug and what down to surrounding circumstances.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    I agree, but Diabetes UK came out and said that even with that evidence, intervening care would have reduced the current death rates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did you read the article?

    There were control groups in the study. Therefore it deliberately tried to separate what was related to covid infection and the surrounding circumstances.

    Both control groups had no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Participants in all three comparison groups were free of diabetes before cohort entry and were followed up for a median of 352 days (IQR 245–406)... In the post-acute phase of the disease, compared with the contemporary control group, people with COVID-19 exhibited an increased risk (HR 1·40, 95% CI 1·36–1·44) and excess burden (13·46, 95% CI 12·11–14·84, per 1000 people at 12 months) of incident diabetes; and an increased risk (1·85, 1·78–1·92) and excess burden (12·35, 11·36–13·38) of incident antihyperglycaemic use.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,668 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Maybe it would. But how this care could be provided without causing more cases / spread or taking resources away from elsewhere in health services dealing with a pandemic?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep



    "Feeling sick" being designated as an official symptom of Long Covid makes it the perfect catchall. The doctors can all correctly reason that their now deceased cancer/diabetes/heart/stroke/kidney... patient was indeed "feeling sick" and so Long Covid cannot be ruled out from precipitating the premature death.



  • Registered Users Posts: 510 ✭✭✭AerLingus747


    it's a question that's going to be asked for many years to come.

    Was more so pointing it out, as it's one of the first agencies to go on record with regards to continuous higher death averages, triple is quite the number. But you'll still have people blaming it on the vaccines.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    The real question is this: are these higher death averages caused by lockdown (i.e. removing essential medical care) OR are these patients all succumbing to Long Covid?! Talk about blaming the vaccines is nothing more than a convenient distraction



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