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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Even if the Muppet succeeds in getting that 500 off the street then there would be another 500 arriving to take their place in a week or two.

    There simply has to be a stop to this free for all open borders insanity or a way to stem the flow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    But who is actually disagreeing with you that Europe can't take everyone ? The status quo of our laws and systems right now is that we don't take everyone. The fact that people always seem to pull out the Australian model as some exemplar of the failures of decadent border policy in Europe seem to conveniently forget that Australia has as almost as many immigrants as France despite having a significantly lower population than France — and is also an isolated (from both the rest of the first world and generally geographically) and financially / logistically difficult place to get to for migrants and certainly refugees. Simply put, it's harder for a relatively poor person to make it to Australisa.

    You also seem to have a fairly rose-tinted view of how Irish emigrants got by historically. Many of them ended up in crime and gangsterism (it's called the 'Irish' mob for a reason) and certainly did not follow the rules of their host countries. They were originally seen as a dirty, stupid, workshy drunks and — as for your great solution that all it takes is for poor and wartorn countries to get their **** together — we would have been in a right worse pickle if there hadn't been an escape valve for our own humanitarian crisis and millions more would have died. It's only with the benefit of 170 odd years of hindsight that we talk about how much the Irish eventually contributed to America — and yet some on here barely give refugees a minute before writing them off as the horsemen of the Western apocalypse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    I must say I’m gobsmacked. I’d been led to believe all the new entrants would be a boon to our economy?

    Feck all these people that will lose their livelihoods anyway - the new arrivals deserve more



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber




  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭Honesty Policy


    Logical stuff, not!

    Even if a school had 4 pupils in each class, the school would remain open.

    Sure let's pack them in like sardines instead.

    We'll also continue with chronic over crowding in schools and a chronic shortage of teachers because they cannot now afford to work and live in towns and cities in this country because you guessed it, OVERPOPULATION!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    How many times have you heard '' they will pay our pension, if we are ill look after our medical care , remember how it was in the past before immigration '' .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You miss the point.

    Regardless of how former Irish emigrants managed to survive. Either through hard work or crime. They were NOT given free acccommodation food heathcate etc etc

    They also managed to assimilate into their host countries. Rather than clinging to their own sometimes medieval set of values which discriminate against women amongst others.

    The UN needs to setup camps in these countries to give a decent standard of living.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    On the plus side. Word seems to have got out that Ireland isn't handing out gaffs. Arrivals down 50 percent. Let's hope that continues



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No thats not logical. A school with 4 pupils in each class wouldnt stay open.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Marcos


    FYI Denmark has put the brakes on non legal immigration specifically to preserve social cohesion.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,769 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How do you know that to be a fact.

    Have you links to similar situations where schools have closed?

    Or maybe you have other reasons for your statement of fact?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The jist of his post is immigration keeps schools open how wonderful but many classes are overcrowded .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Yeah but you also seem to be missing the point that those were literally Victorian times. I'm taking it as a safe assumption that you don't think refugees should be treated to squalor and mistreatment.

    The Irish didn't necessarily assimilate straight away either, and their arrival didn't exactly go down peaceably. First of all, they were Catholics and seen as religiously and culturally distinct from Protestants (not to mention potentially seditious due to their perceived allegiance to Rome). The Irish Catholic immigrants were certainly not seen with the same admiration as the Protestant Scotch-Irish who were viewed as industrious, high quality people who had helped to expand the Frontier (not to mention that culturally the nativists saw America as being the refuge of puritanical Christianity from decadent Catholicism). There were huge tensions between Irish Catholic migrants and the so-called 'native' population, which frequently flared into brutal violence (like the Philadelphia Bible Riots of 1844). Some Irish soldiers even deserted the US army and fought alongside the Mexican Army in the Mexican-American War (the 'San Patricios' as they were known). Even in Boston, the city most synonymous with the eventual rise of the Irish diaspora to prominence, historians describe the Irish population as for a long time "a massive lump in the community, undigested, indigestible".

    The Irish Catholics did not, in some great sweeping move, collectively set aside their religious beliefs or culture even though it was seen as totally incompatible to what Nativist Americans saw as being everything that America stood for. So I'd put it to you again that you have a rose tinted view of the "assimilation" of the Irish in America.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I never hear it apart from as some racist gotcha.

    Never not even once have I heard a person with anything resembling honesty say that refugees are going to all be doctors or whatever.

    Which is why I am asking who led that poster to believe this. Can they cite one example maybe of a TD or top public servant saying this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Now that's an interesting way to look at it alright! You make it sound like a lucky benefit and job creation scheme!

    Also, what supports are there/needed for this class? Basic English tuition? SNAs for kids finding the adjustment harder than others?

    Have these been resourced? Who loses out by reallocating the resources? (because we know there's not enough SNAs as it is in most schools). What effect on the 4 kids if the entire class has to slow to cover the basics such as language skills?

    These are all fair questions that I'm sure the parents of the 4 are wondering about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Statements to that effect have been made umpteen times throughout the thread, by the same usual suspects you’ll see on the thread every day



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    What sticks in my my mind is a TD who said Irish people should have sorted out their housing . The ethos housing is based on need and not citizenship .



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So you can give me just a single example easily then right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Your niece is going to the school that your wife is on the board of management of.

    And a teacher from that school that discussed information about nationality of students with a civilian member of the board of management?

    And you led this story on boards by saying your nieces class.


    👆🤣🤣🤣


    I don't believe this story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    @RobbieTheRobber

    Here you go, refugees apparently “extremely beneficial” to the Irish economy - only took me getting to page 2 out of 152…there are many more examples in the thread like I was referring to earlier. The search function on boards is too crap so if you want other examples you can trawl through it all yourself



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Denmarks loss could be Ireland's gain, well Ireland's refugee industry gain!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,594 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Again the debate on RTE isn't addressing the issue, the official line is we aren't doing enough more housing and supports needed. Just insane, you can nearly see steam coming out the ears of some of the audience speakers.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Job losses in tourism sector up to ten thousand now with all the capacity that’s been given over to refugees.

    Wonder what will be the knock on effect for those towns and communities that rely on tourism



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Almost like posters have been saying this in here for a year. The knock on effects of their incompetence will be profound for many up and down the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    That's not even close.

    There is a poster or posters who have been led to believe that refugees will all be doctors, engineers etc.

    I am wondering by who or how they have been led to believe this. And if possible to cite a source for this claim.


    You have provided another post by a boards poster which while being vaguely on your same subject area has nothing to do with what I am posting about.

    I doubt very much that anyone believed anything they didn't already before reading that post.

    So this common racist trope of people being led to believe refugees would all be <insert preferred profession>,who led you to believe this if that is what you believe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Anyone listening to Pat Kenny? Lots of tents outside the international protection offices i think.

    One lad from South Africa who a gang wanted him to join and another lad from Zimbabwe who says he is gay.

    It's obvious Pat is not impressed. He basically said why are they coming to Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Sod these towns and their locals. If they are really lucky some so called journalist from the Indo or the Irish times will get travel allowance to call to the likes of clones, lisdoonvarna, portmagee etc.

    There'll they'll interview the new diversity officer who'll tell us how wonderful it all is n that more funding is required.

    Said journalist will hotfoot it back to their leafy suburbs in south Dublin grateful that high property prices will keep their area from turning out the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,885 ✭✭✭enricoh


    2 questions allowed from the audience, one saying more needs to be done for direct provision, another saying a taoiseach in the future could be from Ukraine.

    I take it these two were just normal joe public n not employed in the refugee industry. They'd have said if they were- wouldn't they!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Has Pat Kenny been living under a rock for the past x no. of years, or was he just being sarcastic ? Why, he asks, are they coming to Ireland ? 99.99% of these migrants are not refugees (that's a badge of convenience) they are economic migrants. The word is out for a long time now that Ireland is a soft touch. The Nigerians call Ireland 'treasure Ireland for a reason !) Illegal migrants are coming here for our over generous welfare system, free housing, free education, free medical etc. etc. being aided and abetted by civil & public servants and other NGO all financed by our taxes.

    Also the fact that's it's almost impossible to be deported and if, in the unlikely event that deportation is attempted, free legal aid is available with access to the best barristers, solicitors etc. up to the highest court in the land with options to go to the ECJ. All this of course takes years and years and millions of Euro.

    England is gradually closing the door on illegal migrants so more and more are heading our way, many can speak some english so we're the next port of call. Hundreds of illegal migrants are turning up at Dublin airport's immigration office without any form of ID having deliberately destroyed their passports and all other forms of ID Why ? what serious crimes have they committed elsewhere, will they re offend ?? - yet they are allowed to roam the streets as if they were citizens. This would not be tolerated in any other civilized country, yet some are being discreetly encouraged to pitch their tents outside the international protection offices by civil servants to put pressure on other government departments.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭baldbear


    Racist. Only joking. I work with Nigerians and they are good people. The treasure Ireland thing has been around for a while I think it came from our medicine costs and the pharma Industry.

    Is their any political party that isn't racist but talks sense when it comes to immigration? Or are they all afraid to be labelled racist.

    I hate the slogans "Ireland isn't full" or "Ireland is full" or all refugees welcome. Such foolish talk. We can't support economic migrants claiming asylum. But the word is long out.

    Bring back Michael McDowell.



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