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  • 08-05-2023 4:07pm
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    Administrators, Boards.ie Employee Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    I hoped the headline would grab your attention :).

    OK! Don't panic. It's only Transatlantic. 😕

    So there has been a whole load of negotiations and back and forth with Vanilla/Higherlogic recently. Amidst all the conversations a new development came to the fore. The issue of site speed was a hot topic and they put forward an option that was previously unavailable to us. It is now possible for us to be hosted on a European server. Their hope is that this will improve site speed and some other issues that have cropped up. So it was decided to get the ball rolling on this ASAP in the hopes that it would have a positive impact.

    I had requested for the move to be made this week. They have confirmed that the move will take place on the 11th of May. That's this Thursday morning at 1.00am. It is expected that there will be some downtime for the site then.

    There are a couple of conditions attached to the switch. One of which is a clear and transparent move for all of our users. There may also be some minor changes to things like privacy policies etc.. We have not fully developed a detailed plan of all changes as of yet, but we want any changes that we are implementing to be as transparent as possible. We will do our best to keep everyone properly informed with all relevant information as soon as it is available to us. So we are taking the time to inform everyone. We have informed the Admins and Mods last week and are taking this opportunity to issue a site wide announcement.

    It is our hope that there won't be much downtime and this will improve some issues that we are currently facing and will boost positivity overall. We have been assured that it will not be any longer than 24 hours. It could potentially take this long because there is such a huge database here to move. So although it may be disruptive it is necessary and it will be carried out as efficiently as possible to keep this disruption to a minimum. When we receive a definitive timeline we will add it here.

    Anyways if you have any questions or comments then post them here and as I said, we will put any update here as soon as we have them.

    Thanks all.

    Mike.



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  • Posts: 15,362 [Deleted User]


    Any improvement in site speed is a good thing imho 👍️

    If there are changes coming to the site policies will they be rolled out/published ahead of the move?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,572 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    24 hours you say ... see you all next year. 🤣🤣🤣



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,939 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    This should end well...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    Not yet developed a full plan for something happening in three days?


    Think I’ll order some popcorn.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,591 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    "We have been assured....."

    Where did we hear that before??? 🤔

    I really hope it goes to plan (if there is a plan), but I'll be on my holliers for the next two weeks, so in reality I just hope there's something here when I get home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,304 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    I guess if there isn't much of a plan it can't go that wrong.

    I just wanted to be the first to mention GDPR!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Slideways


    So as usual Boards.ie are going to take a shít and then pull their pants down.


    Would it not be a little more prudent to have all the details ironed out before the migration??



  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Can someone explain this to a Neanderthal who is computer illiterate…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭heavydawson


    (Edited to reflect the fact the mods pointed out the site is currently hosted in Canada, not the US. My bad!)

    They're moving the information hosted by boards.ie to servers in the EU (they're in the US Canada now). They'll then be physically closer to the vast majority of the users here in Ireland. By being closer, the site should be faster, as loading the site data takes less time because user requests don't have to physically traverse the Atlantic.

    Post edited by heavydawson on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Yeah that’s what I thought but had just assumed an Irish website would be on a European server by default. The more you know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,414 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    To be precise is it an EU based server or a European one??? They are not necessarily the same thing.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,985 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Nothing will go wrong. Plans are for fools 😁. Nice Knowing you all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,676 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,961 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I think you need to take another week before you do anything.

    I'm serious. You haven't locked down the details, there's a lot of hoping and crossing of fingers and paperwork left to be done by the sounds of it and you're planning to do this in 3 days?

    Does boards have a change control process, because as someone who oversees one, there's no way this major move is ready for implementation - especially given all we've seen to date of the relationship between you and your vendor and their responsiveness (or more accurately the lack there of) when something goes wrong.

    Given this site is already operating on the margins financially (unless things have changed?), I don't think you should take the risk of killing off what little traffic remains (by previous standards) in another botched migration.





  • The server is likely in Ireland… waiting for planning permission! 🤣🤣🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,278 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    So all this clap in CA/IMHO over users raging about discussing "US topics on an Irish forum" and the forum is being hosted in the US? kek kek kek



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,539 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    No, it's not. It's in Canada, which meets EU privacy standards, the US does not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Any chance we could be given the option of not seeing that add about Ukraine everytime we try to load up a thread on Boards.ie

    Yes I know there is a war on in Ukraine. I come here to chat and get away from that. I see enough of it on the news. I do not need to keep constantly seeing it here too. Just have it if people are going into the Current Affairs threads and the ones about Russia and Ukraine not everywhere else.

    I agree with the poster above wait another week at least or even better a month before you change things over. Let's try and get it right this time unlike last time which was a disaster.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,707 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Apparently we were offered a great deal by Moscow......

    😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,043 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    Any chance you could make the announcement message closable?

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,554 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    .... change control is sooo last year. Boards is bleeding edge agile DevOps all the way.... 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    So what does this mean for the Burkes?

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They argued any site discussing their family should be hosted in Europe. They won.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why try speed up the site when you have that full screen ad making it a miserable experience? Bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    "There may also be some minor changes to things like privacy policies etc.. We have not fully developed a detailed plan of all changes as of yet"


    Don't like the sound of that, Ted 😵

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Kaiser, tell the truth, you will be here until boards breathes it's last breath. You have a love hate relationship, they could revert the site to a dreamweaver html website and you would still embrace it.




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    We should already be in compliance with EU guidelines, Ireland being EU. Unless the “European server” is not in the EU? The geographical server site location may also have specific national regulations?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,549 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    The Russians are tapping the undersea cable so they can capture all of Boards in one go. 😀

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,433 ✭✭✭secman


    On top left (on phone site anyways ) of the advert, click it and it gives you the usual Google options to adverts, it's gone for the moment from my screen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭JayBee66


    Is the site slow? I hadn't noticed.

    If it aint broke, don't fix it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,349 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Yes it can take an age to load sometimes. Lucky you.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,539 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    I personally never saw any speed issues either, but there's a small fraction who've reported them since the move. It's not as simple as someone connecting to the Vanilla server in Canada. There's also a Cloudflare layer in front of that, to add further complexity and an extra potential source of slowdown. Moving it to Europe helps to shorten then part too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I've never found it in the least bit slow.

    I'm amazed there's anybody left using the site when you read all the moaning in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭JayBee66


    I'm with the ancestors (sticks to you) but have 500MB fibre. Is it only ADSL users on ~2MB that report slow loading?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,294 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,937 ✭✭✭JDxtra


    Many casual users may not understand what the original post here is about. Can it be edited to explain in one line that there is a site migration on X date and what the expected outage is? More details below then for those interested.

    In terms of the migration itself, is it possible to do a dry run? Then you’ll know how long it would take and iron out any kinks in the process.

    Post edited by JDxtra on


  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Good morning all,

    I'm glad that so many of you have had a chance to read the OP.

    I would like to add here that this is not a major site redevelopment or another migration. This is simply a move to a server that is much closer to home. There will not be any changes to the layout, settings, appearance or functionality of the site. This is merely a change to the European AMS server. Any other issues that have been raised here have already been addressed in other threads and are all currently being worked on. Lets keep things civil and on point here please.

    The idea behind the move is as I said. To increase usability and performance. There are many reports coming to us about site speed every single week. So we understand that it is a major issue for some users. That is why we decided to make the move when the option became available to use. This is meant to be a move to something better, a boost in positivity. Boards.ie has been around for a very long time, as have huge numbers of users. We are constantly trying to improve on what we have here so that it remains a place for users to come to and enjoy well into the future.

    I added detail to the OP in the interest of transparency. The fact is there will be negligible changes that will need to be made a couple of words in a document perhaps. The current use of the YUL1 Canandian server ensured that all rules and regulations were complied with. So "The Plan" that is causing such concern need not worry anyone. Privacy and Data Protection will remain a top priority as it always has here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    AMS is Amsterdam I assume?



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,539 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    Yes. There's a whole standard for naming data centres after their closest airport code, and Schiphol is AMS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭heavydawson



    For those of you wondering about speeds. I have an FTTH connection, and the main page takes ~ 750ms -> 1200ms to load (slow by modern standards). All of the javascript/css is well-cached via CDN, and loads much faster (because it doesn't change that often), around 30ms.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,750 ✭✭✭degsie


    Hope there is a rollback plan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    First time the Burkes would have won anything since yer man won a school debating competition!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    "This is simply a move to a server that is much closer to home. There will not be any changes to the layout, settings, appearance or functionality of the site."


    Pity...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Escapees


    Well, no 'intended' changes I would think. But on a more important note, I think the boards.ie folk behind the scenes really need to put a time or range of time on the expected site outage. The vagueness on stuff like this and the lack of apparent risk management or contingency planning is worrying. Instead, the focus in the announcement seems to be on setting the service provider up as the fall guy should anything go wrong. Sure, it might all go swimmingly well, but at least take responsibility for the move and be planning for the worst etc.


    Edit: Sorry, I see now the original announcement has been updated re: the outage time etc.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    We are not looking for a fall out guy. This is not a game of pass the parcel with the blame bomb!

    This switch is not controlled by our side. It is a joint collaboration between Boards.ie and its database and Vanilla/HigherLogic, their tech team are overseeing the switch. We have not yet received a minute by minute timeline of the switchover From Vanilla/HigherLogic Tech team. As I said before when updates are sent our way I will post them here. Once again my goal is absolute transparency on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I've noticed 'skimlinks' seems to be slowing it down sometimes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,258 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Its a data center migration, which, to anyone who has done one before, is certainly not a trivial exercise. If it was me I wouldn't be down playing its potential for impact.

    Are Vanilla already hosting live sites from this AMS DC?

    Have we tried a background migration and confirmed it all works before we actually switch the live site?





  • Let’s really slow it right down and put it accessible only via a tor network. One could always go off and make a cup of tea as it loads up. 😂

    Tbh I’ve not noticed it being overly slow, but on a fast running thread like Liveline (on good days) a bit of speed up would be welcome.



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