Getting around Galway

You forgot the introduction free flow interchanges which increased flow at intersections removing traffic from other roads faster further enabling effective bus lanes etc

No, I didn't miss it at all, because it's not relevant to the point I'm making. I'll repeat it for a third time, just in case it might help; if you reallocate road space from private cars to more efficient modes of transport then those roads can move more people. This holds true whether or not new roads, tunnels, lanes, flyovers, etc. are added elsewhere.

If, instead of having bus lanes end at the Browne Roundabout, we kept them going across the Quicentenary Bridge and up Bothar na d'Treabh to Parkmore, and we used those bus lanes to facilitate buses that people found attractive to use, then we could move many more people across the Corrib each day than we do today in private cars. Yes, if we added another bridge upstream we could move even more people, if we added two more bridges and put ring roads around ring roads we could move more again. But the presence or absence of ring roads does not change the fact that we could greatly increase the capacity of our current roads just by altering the allocation.

But, if you want to continue to argue against points that other people aren't even making, under the misguided impression that it bolsters your own arguments, knock yourself out.

It’s zealotry at this stage. Even if we reduce the proportion of car journeys to 30%, which would be a massive achievement in a region with a large proportion of rural people who access the city daily, if the population rises to 140k(on a regional basis it would put the effective Galway population at over 250k+) the current street configuration from the Salmon weir to quincentennial bridges will not be able the manage all the modes of traffic that need to use them daily and at it’s absolute best things would be no better than they are today.

Looking at PT only, without also looking at infrastructure, only addresses todays problems. It does nothing for the future. If you still want Galway streets choked with traffic in 30 years times, albeit with most people not using cars anymore, by all means ignore provision of additional road space as part of a holistic solution. Also, just providing additional road capacity would leave the situation even worse. The only cars I want to see in the city centre are those that absolutely need to be there. So provide alternative transport for people who currently choose travel to and through the city centre by car and provide and alternative route for those who need to use the city centre to cross the Corrib.

Perhaps, it's the processes that Freiburg have undertaken rather than copying and pasting exactly what they have done is what we need to be doing alright.

Has to be noted Galway City has a small Port and nearly half the income derived in Galway Port is from surface car parking around the port. It is a Tier 3 port right now + Rossaveal is getting all the Development for the Offshore Windfarm boom (Galway Port did well from the Onshore one in Galway).

You talk of a holistic approach here in order to future proof the city and receive an absolute pile on because the opinion challenges the thread orthodoxy that the only solution is one that excludes provision of roads space as part of that solution. Then that challenging of an opinion is then presented as "attacking everyone". Challenging an opinion is not attacking an individual. I am sorry if you you feel it is, but once you present your opinion in a public forum you have also got to accept that that opinion can be open to challenge without throwing about accusations of personal abuse.

The choice of the word "zealotry" in place of "zealot" was deliberate to address the opinion and not the individual.i.e. the opinion was being presented in manner that did not accept deviations from the accepted thread orthodoxy. Maybe "shibboleths" would have been a better choice of word.

My opinion is that even with the provision a world class public transport, pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, the current infrastructure options for cross city transit will not be sufficient for the future requirements of the city with projected city and regional growth. In an ideal world where the population remains static or where 90% of the regional population who utilise the city were to relocate to the city or a handful of adjacent urban centre, it would, but future planning needs both vision and realism. The vision to see that solutions for today's problems wont solve tomorrow's and the realism to know that a proportion of people will always require individual travel and a proportion of people will always make individual choices that don't align with the ideal state.

Except that is not what happened. Far from piling on, I positively endorsed your holistic approach and noted that, if a credible proposal was put forward, it would likely get widespread acceptance. Your response was to jump down my throat, lambasting me for things I hadn't even said.

I much prefer cordial exchanges, rather than sniping, but that's a two way street.

For a small city it's a nightmare to get around! What's with all the roundabouts?

I understand why you do not trust the powers that be to align the transport strategy to the road network expansion strategy. I dont either. But that does not mean aligning both is not the right strategy and it does not mean an attitude of "my priorities are not being addressed by the current plan therefore nothing should be done at all" is a mature approach.

My priority is that as many vehicles as possible are removed from the city streets by all means neccessary.

You are ignoring the point that only ONE is been planned i.e the GCRR - the other is not. Until that is done for both then I cannot support GCRR..... what about Waterford and Limerick, both have ring roads for more than decade now - where has the transformation of freed up space occurred in those City's. It did not happen.

In fact, the opposite has happened in Oranmore.

Galway County Council has decided to take away space from pedestrians and give that space to the parking of private cars ... all of this since the opening of the bypass of Oranmore!

As you can see in the attached image from Google Maps, Oranmore used to have a nice wide footpath in this location. Now we have space for 4 or 5 cars!