Jordan Neely killed by chokehold on subway

Notice how the justification has watered down from "violence" (he threw his own jacket on the ground) down to now being annoying has you dead to rights on the luas.

It wouldn't be unfair to speculate the marine had a misfired savior complex.

If I personally verified it wouldn’t be speculative.

Clapping as he put him in the recovery position surely they’re clapping in relief that he was no longer choking him?

we clap when the plane lands too

Only in your delusions is that the case. (Am I doing this right)

prove it?

Sounds like a murder charge. And battery:

“There were maybe twenty-some people outside the train car. I was looking in the window, and I was, like, ‘Something is **** wrong.’ Because I was looking at him, and he was staring off into space. His eyes were dead. He wasn’t not moving. But the thing is, these guys that choked him the **** out were saying that he was still breathing, that he still had a pulse. They were acting in such a way that no one else could come next to him. I told them to put him on his side. I didn’t believe that he was dead. I’d never seen a dead body before. I didn’t want him choking on his own spit or vomit. I had my water bottle in my hand. I wanted to try to check him out. But I was intimidated by these people. I didn’t know anybody. I wasn’t not trying to get stabbed. I tried to move in. I poured a little water on his forehead. And Daniel Penny came over and told me to stop. He shuffled me off.”

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“Just as my train was arriving, the police showed up. I told them to do CPR on him. Then I left. But, like I said, I didn’t think he was dead, because they were saying he was breathing. It’s upsetting as ****. It’s ruining my life right now. We got to bang out right now, bang out the truth. It’s shameful. There’s no getting around it. I won’t feel better until they **** arrest this guy for murdering him. And I’m not about all that police **** and people going to prison. The only reason they’re letting him off is the race of the people involved. If that was a white woman he choked to death, he’d be in a cell right now. So what does that mean? That a Black man’s life is worth less than a white woman’s life. That’s what that means. That’s why I went to the police over this **** ****. And I would never do that.”

No clapping mentioned in the above eyewitness account.

The people who were there have called it murder.

What cause justifies murder?

You're missing the mark, already established that the eye witness believes it was murder. The argument now is 'well how much more should the eye witness have witnessed for them to not think it was an unjustified killing.'

So I'm asking how that would go down, I say 'hey that's murder' you say 'no it's not because he might have shouted hang mike pence?' or what sequence of actions could have occured that meant it was not a murder.

What happened in the car previously, that the eye witness didn't see, which lawfully or morally justified the killer physically stopping people from rendering aid to the victim of the homicide?

And okay, so for this killing, which the coroner ruled a homicide, which an eye witness described as murder based in part on the killer blocking them from rendering first aid etc. what circumstance would you speculate that him blocking first aid etc. to the deceased (victim, homicide) was a reasonable part of his good samaritan actions?

“I had resolved by that point to try and see if he’s okay. I poured a little water on his head and Daniel Penny came over and said ‘Stop’ to me,” Grima said. “I feel bad I let him stop me.”

I don't know what else was said but according to the reporting from the OP earlier on, no reports he directed any threats at anyone, leaving very much open that this was a cry for help, not a violent or threatening altercation. That leads me to question whether it was any threat at all, or simply passenger paranoia, that instigated the chokehold. Nobody has been quick to come out with claims of direct violence, the only claim approaching that was him throwing his own jacket on the floor of the train, causing his jacket zipper to clang on the floor.

Without further evidence right wing media is already in a frenzy ratcheting up stereotypes against strangers and the homeless on mass transit. Stereotypes which already existed, that the homeless were dangerous and violent etc. and which the marine would have been exposed to regularly serving on any US military base, where Fox News is usually defacto what's on in the hall. And NC where he served is a red state. Neely's own rap sheet in hindsight to the incident, doesn't dispel this stereotype either. But yet there is no evidence yet that really supports any charge that Neely had committed any offence so violent or threatening that it's what instigated the chokehold?

Penny has not spoken publicly about it, his lawyers have claimed self defense but don't state the trigger.