Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

MacDanger · 12-05-2023 4:28pm

@bucketybuck, moving this over here as per mod note on the championship thread

Let's say there's an accountant about whom allegations are made that he stole money from a client, the guards investigate but no charges brought; fair enough he's not guilty.

Let's say you have done some previous work with him so he has some credit with you; then you need an accountant for your business and have the option of hiring that guy - you ask him about the previous allegations and he says "sure the guards investigated that, nothing was ever proven" and when you press him on it, he just repeats that statement rather than saying "that was all lies, I never stole a penny" - do you hire him?

If the first statement is all he can give me, I don't. It doesn't make him guilty but I'd still prefer not to take the chance with my business

Are you going to answer the above or not?

Swaine · 12-05-2023 4:32pm

Amazing to me that jugde and jury on Twitter believe every single word of an alcoholic woman who the courts deemed unfit to have custody of her own children without question.

Straight to twitter jail for Rory.

downthemiddle · 12-05-2023 4:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588028#Comment_120588028

There is a precedent in the GAA for public denial of serious allegations. At the time of the X Case it was strongly rumoured across the country that Paddy Cullen was the man at the centre of the case. The day after he became aware of the rumours he appeared on The Late Late Show and clearly and categorically denied what was being said about him. He also gave interviews to the print media that weekend and very quickly cleared his name and restored his reputation.

Brian Kennedy and Ronan Keating did something similar when rumours were swirling around about them.

Yet, in this case, people seem to think that he cannot deny the allegations for legal reasons.

flasher0030 · 12-05-2023 4:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588076#Comment_120588076

Best post I have seen for a while - a post that makes sense anyway.

But it is hard to imagine Rory Gallagher being subject to decades of abuse!!!

flasher0030 · 12-05-2023 4:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120587985#Comment_120587985

You're getting very tetchy there. Calling another poster "a strange lad".

It's a beautiful sunny Friday afternoon. Why don't you take a little walk down the park, and take long deep breaths. Good for a tense soul.

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 4:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588217#Comment_120588217

Could Paddy Cullen point to allegations that had been rejected to a lack of evidence? Could be point to winning custody of kids? Big difference.

NattyO · 12-05-2023 4:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588062#Comment_120588062

This is a strawman.

What difference does it make to whether he denies it or not?

If he didn't beat her, all he has to say is the statement I have repeatedly posted.

Why would he have to prove anything to deny it?

Gusser09 · 12-05-2023 4:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588217#Comment_120588217

And we all know why specific allegations aren't categorically and individually referred to and denied. Even the most glib of us can't pretend that it's not odd.

celt262 · 12-05-2023 4:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588223#Comment_120588223

Abusing somethings tbf.

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588076#Comment_120588076

Meaningless analogy.

Either he beat her or he didn't.

She has said he repeatedly, viciously beat her on several named occasions.

She didn't say "he threw a wine bottle in my general direction. She didn't say "he accidentally lashed out and scratched my face"

She said he broke her bones, and bit her. Bit her, like a rabid dog.

He hasn't denied a single one.

If he never beat her, say it.

No man would fail to deny he bit his wife's face and broke her ribs.

I'm a GAA fan, but I would draw the line at whoring myself to defend a scumbag who bites and beats women.

You are doing some amount of ducking and diving to find reasons he can't make a simple denial that he is a wife beater,

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 5:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588275#Comment_120588275

You're assuming knowledge of things you've built up in hour head as facts but you've nothing to back it up. You're taking one side but you've no evidence? How can anyone take that seriously?

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588285#Comment_120588285

No I'm not.

The facts are;

1) Nicola Gallagher has accused Rory Gallagher of a litany of violence of the course of many years, including breaking her bones and biting her. She made these claims in a public forum.

2) Rory Gallagher has not denied these claims.

I'm taking neither side, I am asking why any man would not deny these extremely serious allegations.

On wife beaters, I only have one side.

I don't know if Rory Gallagher is or was a wife beater, but I do know he hasn't denied he is.

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 5:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588293#Comment_120588293

Have a great day.

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 5:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588217#Comment_120588217

In the x case someone else was convicted in 1992 and served three years for having unlawful carnal knowledge of x. The same person was convicted in 2002 for kidnapping and sexual assault of another young girl.

Paddy Cullen could be confident independent objective evidence would support his claims of innocence. There is no equivalence.

In the Mark Pearson case the crown prosecution brought a completely meritless case to court, it would appear largely on the agenda driven political motivation to be seen to improve the prosecution rate for sexual crimes, and were willing to put a clearly innocent man through the wringer.

Life isn't always black and white. Sometimes it's a (very murky) shade of grey.

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 5:14pm

The SDLP has called for the Derry GAA manager Rory Gallagher to step aside before the county team play Armagh in the Ulster Final on Sunday following serious allegations by his former wife.

Cara Hunter, an SDLP Stormont Assembly member for East Derry, said the severe allegations against him need to be addressed.

"I think it's really important that he steps aside," she told RTÉ News.

Mr Gallagher had issued a statement through his solicitor saying he had been "made aware of a social media post by my estranged wife in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me".

He added: "Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities."

Nicola Gallagher claimed she had been the victim of domestic violence over a period of more than 20 years during their marriage, in a social media posting earlier this week.

In a statement issued this afternoon, the SDLP's Cara Hunter said she did not believe it was appropriate for Mr Gallagher to lead the Derry team ahead of the Ulster Final.

"He should do the right thing and stand aside," the statement said.

It added: "This is a test for the county board and for those in positions of leadership. There is only one acceptable outcome."

The PSNI confirmed that it investigated a number of reported incidents and files were submitted to Northern Ireland's Public Prosecution Service (PPS).

In a statement yesterday, the PPS said it had received two investigation files from the PSNI in January and June 2022 and a decision was made not to prosecute.

It said prosecutors decided there was "insufficient evidence to provide a reasonable prospect of conviction".

In a statement this afternoon, the Derry GAA County Board said: "Derry GAA condemns all forms of domestic violence.

"We encourage anyone who had experienced domestic violence to report it to the relevant authorities immediately."

In a statement yesterday, the GAA Ulster Council's provincial secretary and chief executive Brian McEvoy said: "While we cannot comment or make judgement on any specific allegation or allegations, Ulster GAA does not condone any form of domestic violence.

"We are proud to have joined with White Ribbon NI in pledging to never commit, condone or remain silent about violence against women. We encourage and support anyone who has been a victim of such abuse not to suffer in silence but to avail of the statutory and voluntary support services that are available in the community."

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588300#Comment_120588300

We agree then? Great.

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 5:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588317#Comment_120588317

Childish.

Seth Brundle · 12-05-2023 5:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588178#Comment_120588178

Her having a problem with alcohol which meant that she was not capable of looking after her kids does not mean that she wasn't assaulted by her ex-husband so I'm not sure why you seem to think the two are directly related.

the kelt · 12-05-2023 5:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588275#Comment_120588275

Yep he could come out and say all that. But what difference would it make? You and others will still find him guilty anyway. Maybe he is guilty, maybe hes not?

Or maybe he just wants the whole thing to go away, maybe because hes guilty of all the accusations or maybe because hes not and just want to protect his kids from the media storm without adding fuel to the fire.

Maybe he doesnt want his kids to see in public their mother and father going at it, maybe hes looking past his own selfish thoughts that you keep advocating "well if it was me id defend my name to the death", would you even if it meant putting your kids through more and more sh1t? Maybe you would?

What should he address? Every accusation on every single reddit/social media/whatsapp message etc etc. Then something else comes up and its "well he said he didnt do that or that other thing but he never denied this thing here". Its a never ending circle you get yourself in to.

Rightly or wrongly legal advice in these types of cases is that you dont comment over and above the actual findings of the case, simply beacuse youve nothing to gain, people who have deemed you guilty will still deem you guilty, ive no doubt had he said all the above you would still hold the same opinion anyway.

Trial by social media has to stop imho, if hes guilty and hasnt been found out yet, he inevitably will.

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588327#Comment_120588327

Yet another lad mixing up guilty/not guilty with a simple denial.

I haven't found him guilty of anything. It wouldn't matter one jot if I had.

He has been accused of heinous violence against his ex wife.

He hasn't denied it, despite releasing a statement about the allegations.

That's it. Nothing to do with guilt, trial by social media, or anything else.

"At no time during our relationship did I subject Nicola to violence"

See how easy that was? Won't make him guilty of anything, won't make him innocent of anything, won't upset his lawyer.

castletownman · 12-05-2023 5:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588324#Comment_120588324

In fact, in all probability, she developed her alcoholism due to the years of abuse she received from the degenerate

the kelt · 12-05-2023 5:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588343#Comment_120588343

He doesnt have to deny it, thats the thing you keep missing?

What does he gain by it? Keeps NattyO happy?

So even if taking your approach meant more painf or the kids family etc, you'd plough on anyway?

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588320#Comment_120588320

Not as childish as defending a man who won't, for whatever reason, deny that he has bitten a woman and broke her ribs, presumably because of of some misplaced sporting loyalty.

flasher0030 · 12-05-2023 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588324#Comment_120588324

But there is no evidence that she was assaulted. The connection between the alcoholic and being an accuser is that an alcoholic is obviously not of sound mind. And is more likely to fabricate a story as an act of bitterness, in a drunken rage. We might find her retracting that accusation. I'm sure RG and his legal representative will be working behind the scenes to clear his name on this. If the "libel" word is ushered to her, she may backtrack.

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588350#Comment_120588350

Won't make me happy or sad.

If you believe that one shouldn't deny the most heinous allegations, allegations that if true makes one an utter gutter-dwelling scumbag, then you are a strange person indeed.

If a member of your family posted on Facebook that you were a paedophile, would you feel no need to deny it?

the kelt · 12-05-2023 5:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588365#Comment_120588365

Id say cop yourself on and stop talking rubbish, Id keep a copy of it and bring it to my solicitor, what would you do? ANd we know he definitely ahsnt done that in the past? We know he hasnt already denied it on some social media platform previously?

Perhaps he has already denied it as per your case above? Do you know he hasnt? You do know he ahs already denied these allegations in a court of law?

So you would plough on anyway even if it meant more pain for the kids? Nothing to gain from denying it but keeps the public row going and affected the kids, noticed you havent asnwered that question?

NattyO · 12-05-2023 5:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588380#Comment_120588380

So.......you'd deny it then?

Exactly.

He hasn't denied it, his statement is available for all to see.

I haven't answered what question? If you mean "what about the kids, I did in a previous post.

downthemiddle · 12-05-2023 5:48pm

Protests are being planned for the Ulster final. This story won't go away anytime soon.

charlie14 · 12-05-2023 5:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588250#Comment_120588250

He mentioned winning custody in both jurisdictions, but with him living in Donegal since around 2011, and them only separating in 2019, I imagine the family home was in Donegal at that time so I don`t get why he would have also applied for custody in NI. But even so, there was no investigation in NI until 2022 it seems, so I assume if custody was granted in NI it was before then.

There doesn`t appear to have been any accusations made against him or investigation in the ROI, even though his statement appears to suggest he was cleared in the ROI as well as NI.

In both jurisdictions his wife being an alcoholic at the time he appears to have been awarded custody with no accusations against him would have been enough for that to happen

downthemiddle · 12-05-2023 6:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588250#Comment_120588250

He could point out that he was innocent of the allegations made against him.

Why hasn't Rory Gallagher done the same?

You are correct on one point though, there is a big difference between allegations being rejected due to lack of evidence as distinct to being innocent of the allegations.

the kelt · 12-05-2023 6:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588421#Comment_120588421

"He hasn't denied it"

You do realise he has, numerous times! Hence the fact he's not locked up.

Swaine · 12-05-2023 6:05pm

“Probably”

A lot of assumptions there. Everything isn’t always black and white. People need to mind their own business and let due process take place.

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 6:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588306#Comment_120588306

Can someone please make some allegations against Cara Hunter so we can see if she will follow her own advice to do the right thing and step aside from her role as a public representative, or is that advice only for others?

toxicity234 · 12-05-2023 6:09pm

This is a sh*t show.

The break up of a family is never easy and the kids must be sufferings today.

If he is guilty he should be prosecuted.

If he not well. He is branded for life.

I'm all for believing people but a facebook post isn't evidence.

and equality her been an ex and and an alcoholic isn't evidence.

All this is a sh*t show, With Kids in the middle.

Rosita · 12-05-2023 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588347#Comment_120588347

Why would you feel the need to write this? Do you know even the first thing about the person? I know alcoholics and even they couldn't say why they became addicted.

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 6:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588486#Comment_120588486

You like some other posters are playing semantics with people's lives, including children, and refuse to accept basic information.

In a statement on Thursday, Mr Gallagher referred to "a social media post by my estranged wife Nicola Gallagher in which she has made a number of very serious allegations against me".

He said: "Those closest to our family are well aware of the reasons for the breakdown of our marriage and the continued issues we have faced since that time."

Mr Gallagher added: "Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities."

You're not an authority. You're misunderstanding basic sentences, probably willfully, to play a game of witch hunt. The relevant authorities will deal with it if more evidence comes to light. There's nothing you can do except make this worse online. There's a few relevant details that are out there in the public domain from expect authorities, accept them. Or keep playing she said, he didn't say.

cms88 · 12-05-2023 6:54pm

Has Hazel Chu commented yet?

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 6:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588347#Comment_120588347

are we also to assume alcoholic husbands probably developed their alcoholism due to the years of abuse they suffered from their degenerate wives?

charlie14 · 12-05-2023 6:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588551#Comment_120588551

That is a part of his statement I don`t get. "Allegations against me have been investigated and dealt with by the relevant authorities"

As far as I understand it, he has not been investigated by the Garda for any allegation of spousal abuse in the ROI, or that any allegations have been made to the Garda. If there haven`t been, then it just comes across as him implying that on the allegation his ex-wife made in her post in relation to the ROI, that they were investigated and he was cleared.

downthemiddle · 12-05-2023 6:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588653#Comment_120588653

For some that is semantics.

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 7:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588354#Comment_120588354

Do you have any links / references to support these allegations?

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 7:40pm

Gallagher is stepping back from Derry.

castletownman · 12-05-2023 7:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588652#Comment_120588652

I don't know about anyone else, but alcoholism was evident in a woman I was seeing early in our relationship, I don't think I'd stick around long enough to have kids with her, nevermind marry her. And its very victim blamey to discredit her story because of her own problems now.

Anyway, RG has taken a step back from his role. Some prep for the Ulster final

evolvingtipperary101 · 12-05-2023 7:43pm

“I have advised Derry GAA that I am stepping back as Derry Senior football Manager with immediate effect.

This decision is borne out of a desire to protect my children from the ongoing turmoil. They will always be my priority”

PARlance · 12-05-2023 7:46pm

He has stepped back as Derry manager.

https://twitter.com/thomasniblock/status/1657090697327935488?t=_hSpxCiIWQSvJegfZh-xYw&s=19

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 7:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588261#Comment_120588261

It's not a strawman. It's a fundamental element of defamation. If you publish something which defames someone e.g. inferring they are a liar (whether they are or not) you need to be able to prove what you have published.

Given the trouble you appear to have answering my question to prove you've never run a red light in your life you might appreciate the difficulty Rory Gallagher might have proving a negative.

Turning it into a public she said / he said situation only adds fuel to the fire. The best way to deal with a fire is to starve it of oxygen. Nobody can argue with the facts that allegations were made, investigated and have come to nothing.

Those willing to convict him by assumption based on nothing more than the mob rule of trial by social media are hardly going to be convinced of the opposite by a simple "I didn't", so how would it benefit him?

blowitupref · 12-05-2023 7:54pm

Should have stepped aside on Wednesday instead of waiting until Friday evening to do it. Penny eventually dropped for him.

FishOnABike · 12-05-2023 8:04pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588813#Comment_120588813

I was not discrediting her in any way, I was merely flipping the genders in your comment to highlight how prejudicial it was.

amdublin · 12-05-2023 8:06pm

There is a good thread on twitter by a social worker on domestic violence and how sometimes the court makes a decision that leaving the children with the man who abused their mother is better than leaving them with an alcoholic mother.

I am paraphrasing but I do think the fact that he has custody of the children doesn't mean he was not a perpetrator of domestic violence

amdublin · 12-05-2023 8:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120588888#Comment_120588888

I also think it feels like he is using his children as a shield....

Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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