Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

What trilogy is the best is purely subjective anyway , the 2nd nolan film is massively overhyped aswell because of heath ledgers death , rises was awful , Batman Begins was the best 1 by far in my opinion

Loved Guardians 3 better than the 2nd one but nothing beats the 1st one that was absolutely fantastic

Same can be said for Ant-man. OK Edgar Wright left the director chair before 1 got finished, but his influence still shone through into, OK not a Wow phenomenal movie, but a decent little spin. That was all but gone by the time we got to 3.

I thought Bradley Cooper was singing the slow acoustic version of Creep, again great songs, love the soundtrack

The film was an awesome mix of Firefly, Serenity, Annie, War of the Worlds, Noah's Ark and Secret Life of Pets, a good final swansong which Drax stole, mvp

in fairness nothing has changed, Marvel cant depend that all their films make a profit, even with Guardians, people didnt give it an automatic chance, they needed word of mouth to confirm its worth going to see. Marvel still need to get a handle on their bloated production budgets and the fact people just wont automatically q up to see b team movies.

Time will tell, but while Disney Marvel are faltering, Warner DC aren't exactly stepping up to the plate.

Agreed. My wife, who I had to convince to come to the cinema with me and hadn't seen any of the earlier movies, absolutely loved it. She was in stitches, in tears and completely engrossed in what was going on. She enjoyed it so much she wants us to watch the 1st movie tonight, which I'm more than happy to go along with 😊

Yeah they were always going to take a big dip in Phase 4, with the loss of some of the biggest characters, the ending of the Infinity saga, setting up the next saga, new characters, dilution with all the TV shows.

Admittedly, the dip has been more severe than most expected, and some of the films have been awful (and most others a very mixed bag).

But the movies are still performing well in cinemas, unlike the last few DC films. There's a definite drop, especially with Quantumania, but there's also plenty of time for them to course-correct, realise what's not working and maybe start giving themselves a bit more breathing room and bring in more experienced writers (think the writer of Quantumania had only really worked on Rick & Morty and American Dad).

There's no point jumping to conclusions and obsessing over analysing box office second week drop off etc. Not until the films really start bombing, and that didn't even happen with Thor 4 or Quantumania. Disappointing returns, yes, but still profitable.

between it and DC, there will always be a market for Batman, Superman, Spiderman and one or two others, pace them out and they will still be making them in 30 years plus they can start rebooting the likes of Iron Man and Captain America and the parents who watched these film as kids will bring their kids to them as nostalgia. What wont happen is Eternals or Shang Chi films being churned out over the next decade or that whatever new characters they base movies on will be instant hits just because its a Marvel or DC film.

Over time probably the best thing is to close Marvel down/absorb it into Disney and just make movies as and when

there is a reason we dont watch as many westerns as in the 60's, either the genre gets played out or the companies lose their edge, I cant see why super hero movies would buck the trend, I'd bet heavily against MCU's conveyor belt continuing uninterrupted for the next 10 years just on the basis that all trends peak and go into decline

Cinema has definitely historically gone through trends, where particular genres are popular for a decade or so. I think part of why superhero films have seen a bit more longevity than usual is because it's a very adaptable genre that you can combine with other genres. Superhero/High school drama like the first few Spiderman films. Superhero/Spy like CA: Winter Soldier. Superhero/Road-trip like Thor Ragnarok. Superhero/Culture/Royalty like Black Panther. Superhero/Heist like Ant-Man. They're also planning on going a bit more horror with Blade, go R-Rated comedy with the next Deadpool as part of the MCU.

Look at how different each of the Thor films have been, or even the Captain America films. Each are superhero films with the same core characters, but are very different in terms of tone, style, content. Westerns, Sci-Fi, Buddy Cop, Action etc, all those genres which were dominant for their decade or so in the cinemas weren't usually as adaptable. A Western/High School Drama is just Little House on the Prairie. Of course it'll eventually go into decline, but the Marvel films have found a longevity by mixing genres to keep trying to provide something different.

There are no X-Men films currently planned or announced as far as I know, but I'd say after Phase 6/Kang, the MCU might shift to be more centered around the Fantastic 4 and X-Men, with a reboot of the X-Men (all the Patrick Stewart/Michael Fassbender/Hugh Jackman will probably just be from a different multiverse and we'll get new actors and a reboot for all the X-Men).

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Sure let's just get it over with and shutter Disney altogether at this point? All that money is just not worth the bother

Mario is nothing to go by, it is just another cartoon that there have been throughout the time of the MCU. That movie was was near pure nostalgia, they can't get away with that in another movie unless they hold off for a few years. As for other video game IP, they've done Sonic already and there isnt that much else out there. If it eats any share it'll be of other cartoon movies.

Biggest risk of competition for the MCU is if Gunn can get things together with DC. I really like him but I'm not sure he has the range to make it work across a universe, especially with characters that don't necessarily fall into his usual approach - an approach that has been very hit and miss at the box office. Not sure if duplicating the MCU formula will work either, though it has to be better than the road DC have been taking.

Neither Sony nor Fox knew how to work with what they had with their characters and nearly completely ignored a key element of it.

It actually ties into Penn's earlier point regarding the sub-genre.

Some of Feige's notes to Sony for Garfield's Spider-man was why they were trying to run him out of high-school so quickly. Fox did the same with X-men, there was little focus on the younger cast outside of an odd scene, the focus was always the older actors.

What MCU did so well in Phases 1 -3 were to bring together a bunch of different characters who were very different from each other and brought their different perspectives, which you then saw change and grow overtime. Tom Holland's Spider-man brought heart to Infinity War through his innocence.

I'm not surprised they're only now having him 'grow up' more when they have Ms Marvel and likely young X-men characters to fill the gap of teenagers. Spider-man will now move on to deal with the challenges of early adulthood, likely alongside a few other characters they've introduced of that age.

I thought Falcon was now Captain America so will appear in new movies. The DCU and MCU have had a mix of family and more sophisticated movies that I dont think the NCU can ever have.

Also much harder to have a shared universe between the Mario, Zelda & Metroid games. Mario & Donkey Kong, sure, but I doubt there'd be any real kind of connected universe/story between all.

How much of this thread is actually discussing GOTG3?

There is a lot to be said for locking in the character like Bond/007 , ensures movies can be made well into the future. the Characters of Tony Stark or Steve Rogers could run along independently? as it is I dont think the casual film going public want to be locked in to having to see 5 movies and 3 TV shows just to follow the next film.

On your last part ,The MCU can be affected by competition in general wherever it comes from, there are only going to be so many big films a year and the energy will go where the energy goes. I get the sense that the next few movies arent must see, Maybe Deadpool 3 next year?

Went to see this on Wednesday. It was exactly what I expected, proper popcorn fare that does a really good job of closing the circle on the guardians arc. Great soundtrack as per usual but some really gut wrenching moments too, a tear or 3 may even have crept from my cynical eye.