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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    of course they should have left it alone. are you ok with mobs attacking and removing homeless people from anywhere or do you think it should be a matter for authorities?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    yeah i'm not going to argue with someone defending an angry mob attacking and burning out a camp as if it's the only option



  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭It wasnt me


    How do you know they were locals?,had they got I'm the local t-shirt on? I know who was there and they certainly weren't from the D2 area.The same shower who when questioned on taking in illegals can't answer but want to pontificate to the locals of the area. Another little secret. That area of land is private property. Belonging to the ocallaghan group the last time I checked. Another secret. You see that block of flats. They had sheds for storage for the residents. When everybody was transferred from those flats. Homeless people where sleeping in those sheds and moved on and fencing erected. Didn't see the rent a mob from trinity out highlighting that issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well I keep reading today about the concerned locals having been present that were worried about their women and children. I was actually there briefly and I doubt the gang of rowdy teenagers screaming abuse bussed in for the event were from elsewhere either.

    It's an awful situation that people were camping there in the first place, but it's horrible behaviour to intimidate and attack a camp like that and I can't believe people are defending it in any way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    It's pretty worrying that shanty towns are becoming normalised in this country....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    so it's your opinion that homeless people should be moved on by any means by people living locally?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I already said, it's a matter for authorities to move people on if it's necessary.

    And you? You think local people should be allowed remove homeless people by force if they feel like it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    again, you think local people should be allowed remove homeless people by force if they feel like it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    well yeah the same youths who attack each other with weapons on the sam beckett bridge when they feel like it. this is why i can't take these protesters seriously, they go on about worrying about safety of children but never saw them out protesting about the real, dangerous issues in those communities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Unfortunately when the country ran out of physical accommodation the government didn't shut up shop while we got our house in order.

    This will get a lot worse very quickly. 100's arriving every couple of weeks who have nowhere to go except the streets.

    It will be like parts of LA or Italian transport termini very soon.

    Tragic for Dublin really, what's coming before the end of the summer.

    No one able to say stop.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,652 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Star Bingo threadbanned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,937 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Sad thing is, as you say, it's not a joke. That literally is normality around there. Many older residents in the area have been terrified for years.

    Where is the attention for that? This trouble only reaches the media because it's supposedly about immigrants. In reality most there just wanted a scrap and smash things up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭It wasnt me


    I'm calling Bs on this. As you highlighted already further up. Funny you can chew the bones of a report and can't highlight the fact,the camp was attacked or dismantled after the gardai moved on antifa and the illegals and permitted the camp to be demolished. But keep cherry picking. Did you read the report or see the image of an illegal and a samurai sword?? Yes no maybe. But sure the locals are intimadating camps and homeless and blah blah. Open your eyes for christ sake.

    You keep poking a dog,what do ya expect? A lick on the hand.

    And back to the thread opener this is the reason a zero refugee policy should of been adhered to.

    Cabbages calling for open borders and shanty towns.

    Mind boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,833 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Precisely…

    there needed to be breathing space…unfortunately, come one, come all and be given everything from housing, healthcare, childcare, homecare and the taxpayers cash is too lucrative a pitch… and we are literally, paying the price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's about 100 meters from Merrion Square, is that not a fancy enough place for you? also meters from Enda Kenny's Dublin apartment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    Very little fancy about the immediate area this incident occurred. You can be sure Kenny's apartment is very secure.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    it's a nice area though, full of all different walks of life. it's certainly not deprived, what does that even mean in this context? the social housing in the area is very nice and most dubliners could never afford to live around there. the offices in question aren't in dalkey or castleknock hence this is why a few migrants have camped there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    What should happen next to the shanty town? Should the council bring portaloos and bins? You must have some idea?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    What makes you think I have the solutions? Do you? Mob rule mustn't be tolerated however.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    You're 100% certain that the shanty town should not have been dismantled. We’ve already established that the authorities don’t have anywhere for these gentlemen to live because if they did then the shanty town wouldn’t exist. Do you not think that it would be a good idea to move the the occupants to a safe green area in a more affluent suburb of Dublin where the locals are less stressed less unhappy with life and more likely to be welcoming of the asylum seekers? Give them individual tents, portaloos, bins, portable showers, a generator, disposable BBQs etc. It’s coming into the summer so it should be fine. It’s no doubt better then the war torn hell holes they’ve escaped from, I’m sure.


    Palmerston Park in D6 is lovely. I doubt if any of the skangers will be bothered to go all the way there. If the shanty town gets bigger, a shanty towns always do, there should be plenty of room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I'm 100% certain an angry mob should not be dismantling camps, yes. It's hardly a far out crazy point of view to have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Just from talking to people during my work today...

    ppl can completely understand why the locals don’t want a makeshift campsite outside their doors - full of unvetted men of unknown origins.

    most ppl support the locals and say good on them



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    The scene of the 'camp' is behind social housing that looks abandoned and close to more that look decidedly grim. The immediate vicinity is more bricked up buildings in decay. It looks like a slum. Not too many places like that in Dalkey.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,854 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Imagine opening your front door and some oddball who won’t say: where he is from or why he is in Ireland

    has set up a campsite in your front garden....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme


    If only the people out protesting against the shanty towns put as much effort into getting a job and getting off social housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    There are abandoned buildings all over dublin and Ireland I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    “supper time virtue competitions”. I love it. I’ll steal that if you don’t mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Dismantling the camp was Enoch Burke level of strategy for solving a problem. It is pretty hard racism for the government to intentionally take in refugees and force them to live on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme



    Well, once they jobs, they will then have a bit more freedom in where they live. But we know the first part of that sentence is never going to happen. Unless we consider drug dealing a job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    If only the people protesting the people protesting the shanty town would redirect the homeless gentlemen to a pleasant green area near to themselves where they could throw a protective eye over them and demand that their local TD/councillor provide temporary toilets showers bins etc. until such a time as derelict buildings near them can be converted for use, far from the inner city savages who would do them wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cal naughton


    Herbert Park is lovely this time of the year. Loads of space to pitch a tent. Also load's of embassies near by for the all important consular assistance!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,833 ✭✭✭✭Strumms



    so the country is 50% short having enough GPs for the current population….and GPs overworking as it is….

    but…’no limits’

    a fûcking crazy as shît time to be alive, nutsville…. Absolute complete derogation of responsibility and loyalty on behalf of our elected and publicly funded politicians… country is being run by absolute tyrannical woke despotic chancers.

    this is only the beginning, tip of the iceberg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's Dublin 2. It's not their area the very centre of our city and as much yours or mine as it is theirs. I don't claim to own D5 or choose who lives here either.

    Plenty of wealthy people living in D2 also. Some really swanky apartments very close to where the migrants camped.

    Living in the city centre is a privilege and it's never going to be like a suburb anyway.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think we need to decide what is and is not a "refugee". In Irish political discourse, the terms "asylum seeker" and "refugee" are often used interchangeably, sometimes in a disingenuous way.

    I agree with the opening-post completely on our duty to help the Ukrainian refugees. Every night they go to bed in Ukraine not knowing if they will wake up or killed by Russian missiles. For me, a "refugee" is someone seeking refuge ie safety, from a well founded threat to their lives from war, natural disaster or persecution.

    I fail to see what persecution someone from Albania could be facing. Albania is a candidate country to join the EU. I saw a report from Albania in the media recently and its clear this is economic migration.

    I also want to address those who say economic migration should be allowed, because the Irish engaged in it on a massive scale to America, Britain, Australia and New Zealand. My response is yes but that should be by legal channels, and that there is a clear lack of available housing for the existing refugees and asylum seekers.

    There are worrying signs of social tension recently, such as the protests and the attacks on tents yesterday. We need to learn lessons from other EU countries on how to balance our international obligations with the equal obligation to house those already here and maintain societal cohesion. There is a risk that the Far Right will exploit this situation.

    People before Profit TD Paul Murphy recently asked a Dail question on the relative wealth of regions in Ireland accepting asylum seeker accommodation. As reported on RTE Radio 1 some months ago, the better off parts of the country aren't taking as much per capita. I think that's a source of resentment. In particular Jury's Hotel has been pointed out as a potential site but nothing has been done about it. I think the better off should contribute to tackling the accommodation crisis both for refugees/asylum seekers and for the legally-resident population.

    Also, something needs to be done about reforming the asylum appeals system, and increased resources should be directed at ensuring that deportation orders are actually enforced - because they seldom are. To this end I propose US-style "immigration courts" with non-reviewable powers to decide on asylum cases. We need to separate the asylum cases from the broader courts system in order that decisions are not slowed down by extraneous matters.

    I think the EU should admit Albania to the EU so as to remove the incentive for their nationals to claim asylum. Albania is a safe-country. I am also sceptical of why so many Georgians are applying for asylum. Granted, 20% of the country is occupied by Russian troops, but there is no fighting outside of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme



    The problem is no one else in the city centre is happy with the stealing class living there. Imagine all those flats were knocked down and apartments for people who actual have jobs were build? They'd be worth a fortune and the area massively benefit.


    The city centre is a haven for violence and thieving scum, and it ain't from the asylum seekers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The place was set on fire, lads. Ffs like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44


    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44



    Why? so they could pay lawyers to do the same thing if the problem popped up in their area?

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Because property is far more expensive maybe? Do you think people who are eligible for social welfare should be given places in dalkey and rathgar etc too or just fugees? In saying that I briefly went out with a girl who had a flat from social welfare in Dalkey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme



    I couldn't care less about the shanty towns. But they will never cause as much of a problem to Irish society as the jobless wonders have in Dublin's South inner city. The government should focus on cleaning on those areas ans that would have a far great benefit to everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme


    Why? Mainly so they'd stop robbing other people to pay for their moncler jackets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme



    Absolutely, because giving free houses to the moncler brigade in wealthy areas is exactly what they deserve for racking up 100+ convictions. Maybe the government should set up a system where if you get 200 convictions you get a penthouse in Dalkey? Brilliant idea. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well this whole thing is just you wanting to stick it to the libs by sticking refugees in their area. Where I live is mostly council housing with plenty of foreign families in said housing. I personally wouldn't care if there was a DP centre here or some temporarily homeless people in the area so it wouldn't bother me anyway. Its not foreign people around here that you need to worry about believe me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You're really mistaken if you believe all the people there yesterday in support of the refugees are filthy rich or living in swanky areas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭sonar44




    Have you proof anyone protesting the illegal occupation does that?

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,139 ✭✭✭Augme



    That's a very good point. Why have the government allowed these scum turn areas like Dublin south inner city into no go areas? Its the revolving door that the moncler brigade are constantly allowed walk-through when it comes to 100+ convictions. The only the sense of "community" that has developed there is a community of crime and criminals. It needs to be dismantled.


    Says a lot about the warped mentality that the solution to no-go areas and hostility is to focus on removing the people being attacked rather then the attackers.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ Layne Quick Shoplifter


    I was at the GP one day. My GP is truly excellent at his job and is a very compassionate and caring person. I was called in to see about 1 and 15 minutes after my allocated time. This should have been his now lunch break. There were another 12 people patients waiting outside to be seen after me! New locals lets say.

    I rushed through my apt and mentioned how overworked my GP is and he said too much so now.

    I can see him being burnt out very soon.

    You can only imagine the stress the system is under and how much worse it's going to get. Shooting the population up with no limits!

    My sister is a Paed nurse and has been saying for years that the HSE will collapse any second, to the point she only does private work now and says it's too dangerously busy to work in now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    And none of the well off people I know in East Wall/North Strand area had any problems with or were out protesting against the DP centre there. Again it's only local violent people you have to worry about in these areas if the news is anything to go by.



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