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Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You appear to believe that Rory Gallagher`s implication in his statement that police in both jurisdictions investigated allegations against him and found there was insufficient evidence to prosecute.

    In light of the Sheila Maguire post do you now belive that is true and the Garda investigated what Nicola Gallagher says happened in a Clones carpark in 1999 ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I never said that. I do have personal experience of an alcoholic demonstrating very poor judgement when drinking. That didn't "make everything okay", just made some things worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,329 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You tried to prevent people from fanning the flames by... opening up a thread on boards.ie?

    Interesting approach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262


    No you don't know who was in Clones that night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Yes, this is a discussion forum. Nice of you to notice.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    I'll try again Charlie. (Last time mind) I responded to someone who said Shelia Maguire was a witness.

    First I'll use a little story to help.

    I walk into a bar and see your good self. Jayus Charlie I'm after seeing Tommy Joe knock seven shades of shite out of Paddy Joe. Shocking stuff. Now you Charlie are appalled at this. Knock your cranberry juice and march down to the Guards. Paddy Joe is after getting seven shades of shite knocked out of him by Tommy Joe. "You saw this Charlie?" "No. I heard it in the pub." "Thanks Charlie. There's the door."

    Now. The information you provided was 100% accurate. You KNOW what happened. But you are not a witness.

    This happened after an Ulster Championship match in Clones. (That was the only reason I made the Google reference)

    Shelia Maguire was in Clones. Was in the vicinity of where this incident took place.

    But was she in the car park and saw the assault take place. No.

    Is she then a witness. No.

    Does she know what happened. Yes.

    Is her version correct. Yes.

    Did Shelia Maguire say she was a witness. No.

    That's why I asked the poster to read her Facebook post again.

    She knows what happen. She saw the aftermath of what occured in the hospital. She never said she was a witness or in the carpark.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    In that sense, if making it public, was an appeal to witnesses it was a very smart move. Even if it harms any possibility of a future court case, it will back her story up.

    In this sense, the treatment of Shelia Maguire online is vital because it will either encourage or discourage others coming forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    You're wasting your time there. Some posters don't want to admit that this is a complex process with many intricates.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    The Guards can investigate something they knew nothing about till a few days ago. Fair play to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You`re now sounding like a lad who when asked to add 2,029 to 2,039 that when told by a teacher he got it wrong refused to accept that unless the teacher lined up 4,068 objects to prove he got it wrong.

    It would be interesting to know the exact date of that assault on Nicola Gallagher in that car park in Clones. There must have been absolute mayhem in the little town of Clones that night when Rory Gallagher, (never the shy and retiring type), and his team mates, one of which was Stephen Maguire husband of Sheila Maguire, went looking for this mystery man who beat Gallagher`s girlfriend to a pulp resulting in friends having to bring her to Monaghan hospital.

    Cop yourself on. You either believe Sheila Maguire or you do not, and her post makes it very clear who beat Nicola Gallagher to a pulp that night in Clones.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Again. WTF. EVERYBODY knows who did it. Including Shelia Maguire. None of them are witnesses unless THEY ACUTALLY SAW IT.

    I do believe Shelia Maguire. Because Shelia Maguire never said she was a witness. Never said she saw it. She said she believes Nicola. Was in Clones. Saw the aftermath in the hospital.

    If you can me or quote her where I said she was lying or she has said anything different please produce it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Again, not what I said or asked.

    Your reply to a post was "You are assuming her story has never been heard. If police have been informed it undoubtedly has"

    Rory Gallagher clearly implied in his statement that allegations had been made about him to both police authorities on this island. That they had been investigated, and not only had they been investigated by both, the findings of both were benificial in him being granted custody of the couples children in both jurisdictions.

    Do you still believe her story has undoubtedly been heard here by An Garda Siochana, as Rory Gallager has implied and some here belived to be true ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Rory Gallagher never mentions both authorities. His statement says relevant authorities.

    PSNI are the only force to say they investigated and prepared files for the DDP.

    Only mention of dual jurisdictions is in relation to the children.

    You're just making things up now.



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    Even if the beating at 18 Years old was isolated, the victim , after bottling it up for so long is allowed to let it all out .



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You make a lot of play as to what is legally required for a conviction so I assume you are aware of the term, "beyond a reasonable doubt"

    Sheila Maguires post " Life moves on, college, work, etc but I always thought maybe now they are married things have changed, but not so." If as you say you believe Sheila Maguire, then for any reasonable fair minded person i cannot see how there can be any doubt as to who assaulted Nicola Gallagher in Clones in 1999.

    Anything else is just semantics at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    The small number of people, who apparently know nothing about Gallagher, who want to find different ways to defend him is pathetic. Strangely nobody claiming to be his friend is prepared to stand by him. Those who know about his behaviour over the years understand why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    So if I round up 25 people to say you beat someone but none of us saw it that's sits ok with you as evidence?

    How has beyond reasonable doubt not worked in the two files sent to the DDP already?

    This is actually embarrassing from you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I never said he mentioned he was investigated in both jurisdictions.

    I said he implied he was and and the result was instrumental in him gaining custody of the couples children in both jurisdictions. Something if you read back, was believed by some here which is now an implication that is demonstrably untrue



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Team-mates, and especially those in intercounty teams, are very normally very defensive of each other regadless. I would not look at at as conclusive of any proof against him that none have stepped up to defend him, but I would find it somewahat telling that the wife of an intercounty team mate of his has now come forward to verify the assault in Clones.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    The incident was never reported. They were back together a short time later went on to get married and have kids.

    That is the information I have from two friends from college who are from the same area.

    It could be 1,000,000 % bulls**t. That's the nature of second/third/forth hand information/gossip/hearsay.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If, as you now say, you believe that Sheila Maguire is telling the truth and still believe there is any readonable doubt as to who beat Nicola Gallagher to a pulp in a car park in Clones then there is nothing much I or anyone else can do for you at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Good choice of a user name if you believe that a woman being assaulted by her then boyfriend is some kind of indication that it was not him because they went on to get married and have children.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    It was him.

    I have never said it wasn't. NEVER.

    I said Shelia Maguire wasn't a witness. She wasn't. A witness is someone who is present for the actual event. She wasn't. Being in a bar inside while someone gets the shite beat outsidein a carpark does not make you a witness. Doesn't mean she doesn't know the truth. She does.

    I know he did it. I wasn't in Clones that night and am from Galway does that make me a witness?

    Somebody saying they know something does not prove an allegation beyond reasonable doubt. Law basics 101. If you mean beyond reasonable doubt in public opinion then whatever

    Witness accounts/CCTV/forensics would be sought to pursue a case. Shelia Maguire saying she knows something to be true is no different to me a hundred of miles away on the night in question. It holds no weight.

    I don't know where you got your schooling but I would look for a refund.

    This has been a waste of a few hours and I apologise to the other posters that had to read this s***e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    If anything sums up internet back-to-the-wall vigorous debate it's the broad spectrum of options offered here!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14



    Did I miss where Sheila Maguire said she was in a bar when this assault happened, or are you just assuming she was ?

    Yet either way, after pages of bluster, you now know and have no doubts there was anyboby beat Nicola Gallagher to a pulp in a Clones car park other than Rory Gallagher!

    You really do come across as a lad that would have an argument with a wall if you could not find somebody to have one with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Not sure the "bar" reference was in and of itself important though. Surely the poster was highlighting that SM was not a witness to the incident. Where she actually was at the time is unimportant. Where she wasn't is what would undermine her testimony. And, with respect, it's fine on a discussion board where the burden of proof is zero to "have no doubt" something happened but we all know that a barrister would go through that claim like a dose of salts. It wouldn't make it to the third question.

    You are trying to present the other poster as unreasonably argumentative but surely it's just pointing out that in an adversarial legal system you need to bring a bit more than "everyone knows" to the table.

    That might explain why 20 years later this stuff is rumbling on and the court of public opinion has to be used. If things were so easy to prove they would've been proved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    Is there a statute of limitations or can an assault which happened 24 years ago be investigated and possibly brought to trial?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭Feets


    Cannot get over the coments from both sexes, today especially on twitter, that are on his side. There were witnesses. If she is a drunk...it's kind've irrelevant ....she was battered. If she was sober I think the negative reaction to her would have been the same. She is not looking for sympathy, she is merely outing him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    What are the time limits for different areas of law?

    Personal Injury Claim – 2 years

    Medical Negligence Claim – 2 years

    Sexual Abuse – 6 years

    Assault including sexual assault – 6 years

    Professional Negligence – 6 years

    • Breach of Contract – 6 years


    But I think these can be challenged depending on circumstances.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    But she's not really outing him is she? Is all of this not old news?

    The only significance I see to alcoholism is that it may have been responsible for the strange decision to inflict the hounds of social media on her children and family.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    reading a lot of posts from yesterday, so it’s old news and being an alcoholic so best stay quiet and in the dark. Take the punishment. Would you ever wake up to real life, in your opinion it’s all right to abuse, children and beat the wife etc and years afterwards stay quiet and get away with it. And being from the GAA family it’s alright. It was alright for the hurling star to con people out of money to fund his life style.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    As I said to the poster I have seen nothing from Sheila Maguire that states she was not a witness, have you or are you similar to your belief that allegations in both jurisdictions were investigated, as per Rory Gallagher`s implied statement ?

    Her being battered in Clones was 24 years ago, so I don`t know where people are going with this legal argument re witnesses. The statute for assault as far as I know is 7 years. But even if it was not, I doubt any defence barrister would look forward to Sheila Maguire`s testimony and then attempt to convince a jury that there was any reasonable doubt that it was anybody other than Rory Gallagher that battered her to the state Nicola Gallagher describes in her post. Of the two barristers that would be involved, should that case ever come to court, I imagine the prosecution barrister would relish having Rory Gallagher giving evidence on that night much more so than his opposite number with Sheila Maguire.

    I have no idea why Nicola Gallagher posted what she did. Be it because she wants an investigation, a prosecution or she wants custody of her kids, but I imagine it is at least some succour for her to be finally able to say what happened to her in this jurisdiction and that someone there on the night has come forward to back her up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    You may or may not think think it's alright for a GAA guy to con people out of money but I never commented on that.

    All I have said is that all of this (to my knowledge) is old news. I have speculated that alcoholism may have been a factor in the putting of this on social media out of the blue years later.

    I've been in a situation where you are dreading getting a message from someone in work because you can guess how drunk the person at the other end of the line was. Then they have the advantage when you challenge them that they don't remember it. So it's okay then. I'm simply speculating through that well-worn lens why this may have emerged as a news item again.

    If you are going to insist that I think this means it is okay for a woman to be assaulted then fire away.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    On your last point, she probably posted that because she reported these matters before and clearly no prosecution ever happened. I can't see how putting stuff probably already investigated on social media will make any difference. Anger on discussion boards is fleeting and disloyal. It moves on to other targets quickly so it's of little long-term value to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I'm sorry. I don't believe that domestic violence is a subject area where I should look to score marks. Anyone with a modicum of decency would realise that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Again you have no idea if she reported anything in relation to her being assaulted in Clones. From a reported reply by An Garda Siochana when asked they said they were aware of a media post and were now in contact with an individual in relation too it, I doubt if this isn`t the first they have heard of it.

    But then you do have some strange ideas, from a woman being battered being old news, too finally having somebody come forward after her going public and verifying what she says as being of little long term value to her too now her being an alcoholic is somehow the reason she posted what she did.

    For myself, I believe that anybody still attempting to imply that Rory Gallagher was not responsible for battering Nicola Gallagher to a pulp in Clones in 1999, or that he didn`t do similar in the intervening years, really needs to take time out from commentating on this and have a good long look at themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Hard not to smile at the last sentence when you look at the first two!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Nobody implied he wasn't responsible. All I commented on was that it's easy say stuff but proof in a court of law in quite another matter. If it were easy she probably wouldn't have had to resort to social media a quarter of a century later.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Is it true that he has custody of their children ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Nobody ?

    Quite a few here believed his implication that he was investigated in both jurisdictions and was cleared of any wrong-doing, yourself included, but have since drifted away after Sheila Maguire`s post.

    If it did ever come to court with both him and Sheila Maguire taking the stand, my money would be on Sheila Maguire being believed over him saying he knew nothing about it. Even if it never comes to court I doubt there are many now who do not know he is a wife beating scumbag.

    If nothing else, Nicola Gallagher posting on social media may save some other woman from going through what she endured at his hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    I knew from the beginning who caused it.

    Sheila Maguire didn't say she was in a bar. She didn't say she was in a carpark either. But yet she mentions she was in Clones and a hospital but leaves out the carpark. I wonder why?

    I said she was in a bar because that where I was told she was from people that where there. You don't believe it fine.

    No jury in the history of man will take the testimony of anyone who says "I wasn't there but I know what happen" a couple of thousand people could testify on Nicolas behalf if that's the case. Because the all know what happen. They all know who did it. But that is proof of nothing in a court of law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262


    That's because she wouldn't listen to people and kept going back to him after he beat her several times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued

    Post edited by ShamoBuc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    The bigger question is why is there so many gombeens jumping to defend a woman beater and blame the woman. I ask this as a straight man with a missus and two kids. If you're wondering why you're single look no further than this. Tramps who treat women like that should be hung by their bollocks, anyone who thinks otherwise is no man. Cop yourselves on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Augme



    The logically answer is they do the exact same to their wife's as Rory Gallagher. Or, they want to do the exact same to their wife's.


    Questions really need to be asked about the response of the management of Derry GAA in not removing or even wanting to remove Rory Gallagher as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11 Hurlarious


    Putting on my legal hat here and this may escalate. Rory Gallagher's ex-wife, Nicola Gallagher, made serious allegations of domestic abuse against him on social media.

    The allegations were investigated by the police in Northern Ireland, but the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) decided not to prosecute due to insufficient evidence.

    However, Nicola Gallagher's social media posts could potentially expose her to legal trouble for defamation if her allegations are found to be false and damaging to Rory Gallagher's reputation. The next steps may involve legal proceedings if Rory Gallagher decides to pursue a defamation case against his ex-wife to protect his reputation and seek damages for any harm caused.



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