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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭It wasnt me


    "Stephen Bedford was the only scumbag arrested last night. No other scumbags. Fixed your post for you."


    Something wrong with you?? Back peddling??? I see scum on both sides I also see scum trying to harbour an individual who was arrested for having a sword in position. Its quite easy to understand,those are the facts just you seem to be slow on the uptake of what's pointed out to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Augme



    Where's the slander? You've spent the last few hours defending the actions of the anti-immigrant protestrs. You clearly agree with what they are doing. So I was curious if you were there yourself or if you are just supporting them from the comfort of behind your keyboard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭sonar44



    Don't recall this working out too well for our traveller friends in the past.

    It's just a discussion. Something more important is bound to come along.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Augme



    You made the statement that criticising them was "punching down on the working class.". Those poor working class people in the video being punched down on, your heart obviously bleeds for them. Surprised you weren't there to provide moral support to those working class heros you are so concerned about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,998 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I agree people tend to use the terms refugee and asylum seeker interchangeably, without understanding the difference. Let me help you there. An asylum Seeker is someone seeking asylum (clue is in the title), or Refugee status to give it another name. Once someone has been granted status then they are a refugee and no longer an asylum seeker. If their claim is rejected (and they are not given an alternative permission to remain) then they are also no longer an asylum seeker. They could then be accurately described as illegal in the State and would be subject to a Deportation Order. To qualify for refugee status you must be fleeing persecution on account of your race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership of a social group (e.g LGBT in the current parlance.) If you don’t reach the threshold for Refugee status you may qualify for Subsidiary Protection, for which you must be in danger of of facing serious harm if returned to your home country. Serious harm is defined as death penalty, torture or inhuman and degrading punishment, or indiscriminate violence to a situation of international or internal armed conflict. Natural disasters or economic circumstances are not a basis for being granted. If you don’t qualify for either protection stream you are then assessed to see if there is any other humanitarian reason why you should be allowed remain (most commonly this would be family links - e.g you have a child here) Fail this leg and you get a Deportation Order. This is known as the single procedure and was introduced in the 2015 International Protection Act in an attempt to streamline the procedure.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,108 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's actually a pretty civil discussion here given the hot topic! Let's hope it all gets sorted soon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    There you go! It’s a great idea! Sure of course there will probably be a couple of 100 or more men there by the end of the month but the green areas in these parts of Dublin are pretty extensive and very well maintained (funnily enough) so it will just be a question of bringing more portaloos and portable showers and bins .



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The real great idea in this, is arresting the sh*t out of people issuing threats from behind masks and burning people out of their last resort shelter.

    Give them a real taste of unvetted males of military age in the Joy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily



    110% agree with this. They have created this situation by their policy making.

    I live down the road in D4, unfortunately we have a situation now where some of the local feral creatures are jumping on the bandwagon to cause trouble. I feel absolutely awful for the people that are forced to camp there. Scary times.

    Honestly as citizens we should be uniting against the Government in their failure to deliver on many fronts

    - housing

    - health

    - infrastructure

    - immigration policy

    And many more.

    It's simmering and I don't like where this is going. Someone will lose a life. If Leo cannot see that the policy decisions and incompetence of Govt Departments have led us to this point he is **** blind.

    I pay may taxes into the high tax bracket, I used to be aligned with FG but they have been nothing short of a disaster for this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    I actually use it every day and agree they should pitch in that space. The feral from the flats with their free gaffs and their hands constantly out to the state will still chase them out.

    This is a huge problem in our society. People that don't contribute and get a lot for nothing. Plenty of them involved in the protests.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,137 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The anti immigration protesters are behaving like utter simpletons and morons. I am all for protesting but they are doing their cause no favours.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Theres literally 1000s and 1000s more to take their place. All you’re doing if you arrest these people is create working class heroes out of them.

    If we concentrate on getting the arrivees to a place of safety and get their asylum claims processed quickly without further drama it would serve us better.

    This situation is going to deteriorate very badly if someone doesn’t take charge of the situation. I wonder if the army could play a role here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Too many native Irish non contributers around aswell. A soft touch.

    Too much social housing full of entitled scum around the city centre. That problem needs to be solved. Canada Goose clad scrotes causing hassle with no intention of ever making meaningful contributions as they pass their work ethic to furture generations.

    They may be good for dealing drugs, that's about it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    We are an expert on Turkish politics too now are we ? He seemed like lovely fellow swinging his iron bar around. Why’s he in Ireland too ? Must love the stew.

    also no mention in the Irish press again of the fact he’s a convicted terrorist - no mention at all. I thought it was the presses duty to inform the public ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    We are an expert on Turkish politics too now are we

    Know a bit as it happens. And he's not a convicted terrorist. Fact check yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Theres literally 1000s and 1000s more to take their place

    No there's not. The muppets behaving this way are a minority in their own communities, never mind Ireland. You see the same unibrow foaming at the mouth clowns at the protests in various parts of the city as they've popped up stirring sh*t. "Concerned locals" with multiple addresses apparently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Sorted soon hmmm , well I sincerely hope you are right but I have a feeling it won’t be the case…. I genuinely believe aspects of this problem here is playing out for the majority of this decade…might have longer implications.

    Quite simply when this war finishes and all the military personnel over there will want to escape here to be with their families…. They won’t want to be hanging around for to do it all again in 4 or 5 years… our government will have no option but to extend the same assistance to them.

    I don’t back the governments here to enforce any temporary aspect of this assistance….you’ll all recognise that ‘temporary’ is a word not being used by politicians and hasn’t been for a time… just ‘protection’.. NOT accidental.

    I use the word assistance as it’s light years more then ‘protection’… same as ‘temporary’ was never that either….

    its been quite the PR hoodwink job from the outset by Leo and co. A carefully managed PR job, hoodwink and some ..

    might have had some chance if Leo hadn’t been Taoiseach, might have had some chance if it had instead been an honest broker dealing fairly from the top of the deck, but Leo ? He’s really put this country and it’s citizens behind the 8 ball, in big trouble actually…

    Thousands of Ukrainian military personnel coming here will have all sorts of baggage…. Physical, psychological…. This is a long term shîtshow for Ireland and it’s citizens…

    When you have a dearth in effective leadership with backbone, a dearth of honest brokers like we have in Leo especially…..

    1000% there will just be an amnesty and Irish passports handed out like confetti..

    Europe will be the playground of the Ukrainian citizen…it will be ‘home’…

    In time, if Russia attacks again with the Ukraine EU members , the EU will be at war. Think on that for a while people.

    our neutrality won’t be worth a fûck either way with a threat….

    The door is now open to Africa and everywhere, they see how easy, how lucrative it is…. A zero policy is probably necessary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,105 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I do not condone what happened on Sandwith Street but I think our government needs to wake up as this problem will continue and get worse until they implement strict proper border control measures and limit the amount we can take in as accommodation is short everywhere for everyone, Ireland is in crisis



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    Listen. I have no idea where you live or what kind of circles you move in but I can assure you that even in the mid west medium sized market town I live in the film of the deserted shanty town ablaze was and is widely applauded by the huge section of our society that basically blames our governments immigration policy and the immigrants themselves for the fact that we have no houses no GPs and no hospital beds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I don't know where you're from, but if burning the last resort shelter of individuals is "widely applauded" by "a huge section" in your town, your town has a major problem that extends way way beyond refugees or asylum seekers.

    But of course you made it up that so many people are applauding such scumbag behaviour, it's merely your own miserable and socially deviant disposition. So own it and don't speak out of place for your mid-size market town.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    More affluent communities ? Because it costs more to attain property there…

    probably less available housing as the areas are considered ‘more desirable’…



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Wasn’t MM Taoiseach when we started accepting Ukrainians?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Leo was the cheerleader of no limits… and the Taoiseach as more arrived and people here got concerned, which he arrogantly dismissed with that awfully insincere grin… NO LIMITS



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yeah but wasn’t MM the Taoiseach when we began accepting and asking Ukrainians to come here?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Yes, but he wasn’t the catalyst as to when things started going pear shaped stoking and fanning the flames as Leo was the catalyst and the announcer, champion and cheerleader of no limits which he repeated during his tenure as Taoiseach as well as when he was Tainiste.

    He’s been repeatedly at it since day one, with the capacity to reverse that position but instead championing it.

    so you can’t go from no limits to no refugees.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Hmmm not so sure you’re correct on this one.


    Roderic put the message out and MM was in charge when the floodgates opened.


    Seems you just want to vent at Leo and put all the blame on him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭high_tower


    Daniel kinahan isn’t a convicted drug dealer either. How many others like him have we let in ? Oh yes , we’ve absolutely no idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Weak.

    You said he was a convicted terrorist. No he isn't. You posted out of turn and you posted a falsehood.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,270 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Not at all, the blame is certainly for sharing…

    March 2nd article is when I’m seeing Leo quoted as NO limits

    leo :

    “It could be a few thousand, it could be 20,000 as Minister Coveney suggested yesterday.

    But we're not going to set a limit on it.”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 850 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    So as an immigrant yourself are you being blamed for no housing or GPs etc, are you worried that some of your neighbours are going to burn your house down??



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