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gaa membership

  • 16-05-2023 10:22am
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    Am a coach at my sons under 8 hurling. I like hurling and all, but the fees do my head in

    couple of years ago juvenile membership was 40 euro

    since 2022 this has gone up to 75 euro

    I have paid this every year for my son and by default when I do this, it adds:

    1x juvenille player

    1x parent &guardian

    so thought this covered both of us

    Now I am being told that as a coach I also need to pay a fee of 50 euro as a "Non-Playing/Social Adult"

    does this sound right?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Offer to step down from the coaching and see if their tune changes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Your fee covers the insurance for on the side of the pitch. Ours is alot higher and so is our kids.!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    do you mean the 50 euro fee?

    if that is the case, does every other parent that stands on the sideline watching games need to pay the 50 euro adult fee also



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    I am half tempted to. takes up a lot of time and effort

    what do you get rewarded for as a coach?  having to pay 50 euro extra a year for the privilege V parents that don't coach


    I have enough bloody fees to pay with young children etc and now yet another one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    If all parents decided to do that there would be no football for kids.

    What sort of reward would you like for been a coach anyway?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    I was being sarcastic with the rewarded word

    All I am saying is I put in time and effort here, and because I am a coach I have to pay more money

    if I chose not to be a coach/bother me arse, I dont have to pay anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Salmon


    What does the 1 x Parent/guardian cost? I wouldn't pay this fee as well as the coaches fee. It'd be either/or. My club doesn't charge coaches if it did I certainly wouldn't pay! Its a very underappreciated role your in, but I guess your doing it for your own kid too so no point complaining. I can see why it gets on your nerves thou!



  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Alias G


    Those prices are cheap compared to clubs near me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,460 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Coaches should be given "free" membership as a token of appreciation for giving their time imo.

    It's only a small fraction of total membership fees but I think it would be a great gesture. A simple thank you for your time.

    Quite frustrating when you see constant fundraising in clubs and money being thrown at expenses for the senior team setups etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    Where do you stop with "free" membership, might as well give it to committee members, players, etc they all give there time also.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ya - similar to an above comment; I'd be involved with multiple clubs/counties simultaneously, and all of them 'cover' my annual fee for the Team

    For the above comment - you stop at the Primary management team (for each team within the club):

    Manager, Selectors, Coach, S&C Coach, Analyst (FLO if a female club)

    Weird for them to not mention that to you OP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,460 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    It could be a slippery slope but I would stop with coaches.

    Player's benefit from coaching, facilities, equipement etc. I don't think there's a realistic argument to be had for free membership there. Some clubs do struggle with Committees but they are generally older people / aren't paying for several children's membership on top. Having been both a coach and committee member, the coaching took up way more time.

    Not saying it's entirely fair, that others wouldn't be as deserving, or that it's a must. I just that I think it would be a nice gesture as a token of appreciation for doing a very important role in the club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    If they are part of the coaching/mentor team, the answer is yes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Depends on how well the club is financed also. If the club can afford to cover the mentors that is fair enough, but membership only covers 50% of the costs for our club.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    The 1 x Parent/guardian cost seems to be included when I sign my son up to Juvenile membership. So its by default part of the Juvenile membership. I thought this covered me also



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Some clubs have close to 200 coaches and 20-30 "backend" people, who help administrate the club (often these are coaches also)

    You simply cannot provide "free" membership to all of those people unless the club is in a really strong financial position.

    I am not sure if EVERY club requires that coaches are full GAA members - I don't believe that they do. The Parent/Guardian isn't classed as a Full membership (it's classed as a social membership with the GAA themselves). A full member has full voting rights and usually ends up in draws for tickets assigned to the club although I know of some clubs that also include parents/guardians in this type of thing.

    The facilities that many clubs have costs money to develop and maintain, insurance for facilities, player injury funds, affiliation fees, assorted training gear (balls,sliotars, clothes), electricity bills as well as various bits and pieces that come up regularily all add up.

    There's very little funding coming from the top (GAA) down, so membership fees are a key component of a clubs income. The club doesnt exist or thrive without them.

    There's no individual making money within the club out of the club. Many roles are far more time consuming than coaching and are done on a volunteer basis also but coaches are the core of the club - unfortunately they need to contribute financially also.

    I would assume other sports are similiar at the grassroots levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Like you I am also an underage coach courtesy of my Daughter, I wouldn't expect to be rewarded but I certainly wouldn't expect to pay for something that a non-coaching parent doesn't have to pay for

    If I were in your shoes I'd be stepping down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    They need to be members to apply for vetting ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    They need to be on Foireann to apply for vetting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    Yeah and they need to be a member tk be on Foireann.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    It's up to the club what level of membership a parent/guardian is assigned within Foireann. By default they are assigned a social member. But there's a number of variables at play. As I said some clubs have no issues with parents and guardians being assigned social members and as such having access to Foireann. There's no parent or guardian membership on Foireann.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Two things strike me there!

    A club with 200 coaches must have a helluva lot of playing members and a good sized income from various sources?

    You say "There's very little funding coming from the top (GAA) down". What? But this is not what we are constantly being told - the GAA get very generous support from the state and it's been recognised that the club is at the heart of the GAA. So what do you mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Close to 2k members. And significant expenses.

    What other funds can clubs rely on.

    I mean the club's get very little direct financial support from the GAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    The post I quoted was about parents and guardians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Indeed. Which was the category the OP found themselves in.

    The club can register that person as a social member of a full member with the GAA on Foireann. Social or Full members can be Garda vetted on Foireann.

    Club seems to be suggesting to the OP that they don't register Parents or Guardians on Foireann and that the OP needs to become a social member which will incur another charge.

    The fact that the OP is a coach changes nothing really from a membership perspective. All down to how the club deals with memberships.

    If the OP has issues it's possible to bring a motion to the AGM to review the club's policies around these things.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99




  • Registered Users Posts: 38 facebeard


    Similar to OP, when under-8 membership was about €40 for a playing juvenile, Child is now U-11 and the Juvenile membership is €140, this outside of Dublin too. A non-playing adult would be about the same. Young lad didn't even get a bag of crisps at the end of the year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There's a few clubs down the country in or around big population centres that would have those kind of numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,889 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    How does the fee compare with other sports and activities in the area?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭BrianBoru00


    Re insurance-


    Essentially you cannot sue you're own club. As coaching is going to be more physically active than a parent then it makes sense.

    I've no issue paying my own membership but I think you're point is a fair one.

    As suggested above, as a member you are entitled to attend the AGM and bring forward a motion. e.g. A minimum fee for membership set at the equivalent of one full adult and one juvenile member.

    or Introduce a "Underage coach" membership role where if someone has completed Foundation Training and helped with 20 sessions throughout the previous year they can avail of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Very simple in our club - if you have any involvement in the club you must be a member and everyone pays membership fees from the top down. I coach a bit with the hurlers and camogie players and as they're separate clubs then their is separate membership. The kids do plenty of other activities and the membership fees work out as great value when you compare a lot of the other activities are 'pay as you go' and are usually €8 to €10 per session. I don't mind the membership fees as the club is well run ad the kids love it.


    Someone mentioned funding from Croke Park - clubs get hardly any actual funding from Croke Park.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28 luasaigh


    A few things:

    1. The club is a group of people, including you. Just attend the next AGM, propose a change, have a seconder arranged, and have it put to a vote.
    2. The situation in our club is the same - though we're a small rural club and our membership charges are much lower. All our volunteers, whether they are players, mentors, committee members, helping with the lotto, or cutting grass, or whatever - pay for the privilege! I'm the registrar and I do feel bad nagging them - but them's the rules that they decided on at AGMs and if they want to change them then they can propose a motion at the next AGM. Most of the people at the AGM would be those very people anyway 'cos 'tis hard to attend an AGM without coming home with a job for the year!
    3. Most clubs would have arrangements for cases where there's financial difficulty, and would take somebody at their word without question. In our club, another club member would sponsor the cost of membership, with anonymity in both directions and no record kept (OK I know who's who, but I forget). Other clubs would have other arrangements. I'm not saying this is your case, but it's important that this is known since this is being discussed publicly.

    I know volunteering is a load of work, and its frustrating to seem like its not appreciated. But I think the way to look at it is that you're doing a good thing for your community, and that in itself is a reward that is great for your self-esteem and mental health and all that stuff. That said, there are times to step away too - sometimes it's just too much and you might have too much on - family is first. From my own experience, I'd say pretty soon your son might do better to have you on the sideline like another parent supporting him, rather than being a coach on his team. (you could be a coach on another team or volunteer to do something else in the club - no shortage of work to be done).

    Main thing: thanks for what you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,154 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    he cant vote at the agm... hes not a member...



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 luasaigh


    Oh of course yes, and can't propose a motion either. Then can hardly expect to engage in the democratic process to change things. But I suppose the options are to register one year, and propose the motion at the following AGM that people like him can register in future years for a nominal cost (of say €5). I don't think such a motion would pass in our club, but I'm sure there are some clubs that take that approach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    not related to gaa membership :)

    heard a coach from another team say the following at the weekend to one of his players "never hit the ball back where it came from!!"

    got me thinking, what is the reasoning behind this? (as in the person who hit it, beat your player so don't put it back there again)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Absolutely shocking some of the numbers thrown around for GAA club memberships. It's starting to go like rugby to keep the lads from the council estates out.

    I wonder how many of these clubs charging ridiculous amounts of money are also paying a lad ridiculous "travel expenses" to train the senior teams.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Because if you hit it back where it came from, it's likely there is opposition cover there so you'd want to avoid them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭crusd


    My reward as a coach is seeing a player who 3 weeks ago couldn't rise the ball, now smile proudly when they show me how they can now do it. That alone is worth the 60 euro non playing member fee I pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭crusd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Absolutely but I remember a similar discussion on Reddit about GAA club member fees and it's was absolutely crazy the money some clubs are expecting for kids to play our national games.

    The major worry I would have about this is that there should be no cost barrier for any child wishing to play our national sports.

    I know back when my young fella started it was 30 quid to play and a few quid of each one went into a fund to cover the cost for those who couldn't pay it.

    We do not want to end up like the Rugby Crowd as the GAA is not and should never be an elitest organisation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Stationmaster


    Most clubs these days are providing facilities and coaching for kids from the age of 4/5 years old and up - if you break it down per session (which is what you pay for most other kids activities) it's still working out great value. Imo of course…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭celt262


    My local GAA kids membership is €20 for the season.

    Rugby Club €80

    Soccer Club €40 + 2 lotto envelopes per week so €4 per week on top.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    another random question. I have a girl doing under 9 camogie. They play go games against other clubs and I taught her to take 4 steps, tap sliotar off hurl and then 4 steps and then strike - just to get away from others etc

    It’s not a solo, just a tap off the hurl for a split second.

    Is this tap on the hurl allowed at this age?

    Post edited by obi604 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Deskjockey




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭obi604


    fair enough, I heard some coaches telling her not to do it………but its specifically not solo-ing.

    They should be encouraging this type of play……….way too many times I see the girls get the ball in their hand and just freeze, no steps out of trouble, not tap on hurl etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,578 ✭✭✭crusd


    It's the biggest challenge. Nearly every drill we do with them in Football and Camogie is take four steps, regardless of what we want them to actually learn in the drill.

    Rise the ball - take 4 steps, take the handpass, take 4 steps etc.

    The hardest are those who will actually take a step backwards after catching the ball



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