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Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Outside of GAA world had anyone ever heard of this man?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    It's a story within GAA circles and this is a GAA thread, so why does it matter if no one else has heard of him?



  • Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    Because it now seems to be a national news story. So it appears it is no longer just a GAA story, but one of alleged toxic masculinity.

    My own view. It's a private matter between individuals, no need for the rest of society to be involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    The GAA is a national cross border organisation with huge membership and presence. It's become national for that reason and the figure involved is a high profile member of the organisation. Also how the story became public. If it was a high profile rugby, soccer manager, someone well know in athletics, horse racing the story would go national too.

    Your problem seems to be how dare something GAA related enter my news feed.

    As for a private matter between individuals. Society and laws have to protect the vulnerable. Ah shur that murder was a private matter between individuals, we'll leave it at that would be the outcome of your thinking.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    My own view. It's a private matter between individuals, no need for the rest of society to be involved.

    Your view is wrong then and is part of the problem which enables abusive behaviour.

    Gallagher has been deeply involved in GAA circles both as a player for club and county teams and also within the management of teams. He is in a position that many would see as a form of authority and role model.

    Because of his position, if he is involved in physical and emotional abuse then it is not a private matter between individuals.

    That being said, any abuser gets away with their abuse because the victim is fearful but also because those who are aware of it are reluctant to get involved. If you knew your sister or daughter ended up in hospital because of their boyfriend or husband, would you still have the same "ah, sure it's none of my business" attitude?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Appropriate that McFaul scored the penalty in the Ulster final today. Reflects the values of Rory Gallagher.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,599 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If all her allegations are true then he himself has been a danger to his own children; by beating her up when pregnant and also the children saw her in bed covered in blood.

    NI children services should investigate both those allegations.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If her claims are true then he is unfit Father having beat up his pregnant wife and created a situation where his children witnessed their mother covered in blood.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I saw them discussing this on Ireland AM this morning, and they were being very sensitive to the topic, whilst also trying not to cast aspersions.

    (Though you could see Muireann O'Connell chomping at the bit that she wanted to say something 'biased' to say the least, but considering her non presence on twitter for several months, I imagine someone higher up at VM told her to 'reign it in').

    I think it's very interesting to see how this is being dealt with. If any players (be they former teammates, or current players on the Derry team) have spoken out in defense of him, it's not been reported. The All-Ireland Derry Team were planning to boycott the half-time celebrations on Sunday if he hadn't stepped down, notably Brolly spoke up to say that he should step down, for the protection of his three children.

    The allegations are very, very serious, and if they are a work of fiction, they should be investigated and called out as such. And Gallagher should receive an apology. But if they are genuine, it's the children who are going to suffer the most.

    More than likely they won't be allowed stay with their father, and probably be allowed stay with their mother if she's still abusing alcohol. Then the only option will be foster care. Being put through the system can be jarring.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,547 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The allegations are very, very serious, and if they are a work of fiction, they should be investigated and called out as such. And Gallagher should receive an apology. But if they are genuine, it's the children who are going to suffer the most.


    More than likely they won't be allowed stay with their father, and probably be allowed stay with their mother if she's still abusing alcohol. Then the only option will be foster care. Being put through the system can be jarring.

    So are you suggesting that if the allegations prove true and they are removed from his care, that this is wrong? If he is unable to control his temper and actions and restorts to physical and emotional abuse then he should not be anywhere near his kids. If other cases of domestic abuse are looked at, the abuser often ohysically abuses their kids.

    Gallagher is also involved in coaching his kids teams according to his employers bio on him. If he is prone to physically abusing people, are those kids safe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ugh, apologies, I made a typo and missed a word in there, 'and probably won't be allowed stay with their mother if she's still abusing alcohol' was what I meant to say. And no, I don't think they should be allowed stay with either parent ' if a)the allegations of abuse by him prove true, and b) the allegations of her abusing alcohol prove true, too.

    I think the care system would be the safest bet. If he's physically violent towards children, then that should be investigated. I know of one incident, from my childhood, where a GAA football coach punched a ten or eleven year old child in the eye due to an off the ball incident. The internet, and social media, weren't what they are now. But if they had, he most definitely would have faced a LOT of trouble.

    If such incidents have occurred, I'm sure many parent's would have spoken up. And if those incidents were silenced, then the organisations should hang their heads in shame. But as we have seen, that rarely happens. (The coach I referenced above-he wasn't fired. Was coaching for many years after that incident until his work duties meant he was too busy.)



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    I would imagine he’s strategic about who he abuses



  • Posts: 0 Bruno Creamy Vent


    The social media commentary around this has been nothing short of appalling. What happened to letting authorities do their work which they should absolutely do now with full vigour given the seriousness of the allegations?

    Me and a sibling have been in this situation being accused as abusers by a very physically dangerous alcoholic relation for throwing out alcohol after years of trying to reason. The same person had attacked neighbours previously.

    Thankfully I don't have a high profile but certainly we both still feel the trauma and the shame of how publically it played out locally.

    People have lost their minds online with the finger pointing with undue process.

    I've found the week triggering personally just from the social media pitchforks. I absolutely sympathise with domestic abuse victims but the systems need to be allowed do their work now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He didn't deny it in his statement. It was released through his solicitors.

    I believe her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I’m sure one the the parents family would step in if it came to that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    DERRY GAA say they have no record of receiving any email in respect of the allegations against senior football manager Rory Gallagher.

    Why didn't they keep their mouths shut? Surely, the father has a copy? Why dig the hole?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Because they needed to clarify the issue. They indicated it may have gone into a defunct administrating account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,353 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Were the 1993 winners really going to boycott the half time celebration if he stayed on ? Where did you hear that ?

    they must have had a group discussion on this topic, which is interesting

    (sorry the Brolly article on Independent I can’t access, if it was the source)



  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ragwort and Stones


    It wasn't the 93 All Ireland team. The 25 year anniversary of the Ulster winners of 1998.

    Brolly wrote it on the Sunday Indo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Those reunions are a joke anyway, they line the team up on the sideline of the stand where all the VIP's sit for example the players relatives, club chairmen and sponsors. If you are anywhere else in the ground you can barely make out who it is or understand what the loudspeaker is saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭BaywatchHQ


    Well Rory Gallagher wasn't single so your logic makes no sense. You remind me of the people who accuse wife beaters of being incels. If you have a wife you aren't incel by default.

    I bet Rory will have girlfriends in the future too despite the allegations. This fairy tale notion that women go after quiet nice guys is nonsense. The majority of men in prison have had a string of women and will still get women when released. They may even receive love letters inside prison.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,717 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Rory still hasnt denied the allegations. One would wonder where this goes next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I suppose they will deny that Gallagher was out celebrating with the team on Sunday night?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Sorry to hear about your experience. It might be easier said than done, but avoiding twitter is a great move if you don't want to put yourself through such stress. I've no regrets from getting off it almost completely, I'll log on occasionally for score updates etc. But it really is a horrible place at times.

    I think I've tried to remain balanced on this. One the one hand, people should be innocent until proven guilty. But on the other hand, I know full well that not all guilty people in cases of domestic violence are proven guilty... For numerous reasons.

    A guy I know was subject to a similar thing on Facebook years and years ago. A girl he had been going out with went on a campaign to discredit him and claimed he had gotten her pregnant, left her not wanting anything to do with the kid etc. It got a lot nastier than that. It transpired that he wasn't the father and the vast majority of stuff said about him were lies. An apology was made but he'll forever be associated with those allegations. Through it all, he never responded to her, and people assumed he was at fault because he wasn't denying things / remained silent.

    All that said, I can't help but think that there is something to these allegations. The friends statement was significant for me. But I have to stop myself from going too far down that line of thought.

    For the children's sake, it would be great if this was cleared up, but I suspect it's going to go on and on. And it'll probably stick with them for life. It's terrible really.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    violent men always have women and always have offspring



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m not sure what the take from that is meant to be in relation to this thread.

    Do you believe Rory Gallagher was the one in that relationship being physically abused, or that verbal abuse or his wife being an alcoholic would give him the right to physically abuse her to the level she has said she suffered over 24 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Not just the friend's statement.

    The way he phrased the denial.

    The use of his solicitors to ensure he wasn't defaming her so he couldn't be sued

    Her father writing to the GAA, it is clear that those around her believe her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Been reading a bit more on all this....no way in hell this woman is making this up.

    desperate sad to think a person could suffer that kind of terror and pain for so long.

    The whole two sides to a story I generally lean towards, but sometimes there really is just one side....in this case, it is her suffering!

    Just on her reason(s) for going so public: Not to diss her, but I don't believe it has anything to do with helping others. Domestic violence is as old as the hills. It's a very complicated/complex issue, and can never ever be cured as long as men are men and women are women

    I believe she went public to hurt him and get some revenge/satisfaction/healing, and you know what, in this instance I'll applaud her!!!!!

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy




  • Registered Users Posts: 17 Cbumkin


    This thing that people think it is significant that he hasn't publicly denied the allegations is significant really cracks me up. I mean if the man is actually guilty and he did do it , do they think that he would have qualms about telling a lie and coming out with a strong denial? Doing the deed is the bad thing , deny doing the deed wouldn't cost a thought to a person who has actually done it!




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,224 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I`m very much a dyed in the wool GAA man and make no apologies for it. Rumour about this individual have been circulating for years, so I doubt any of the county boards of counties he has managed county semior teams for had not heard them. If they hadn`t then Nicola Gallagher`s post has certainly made them and the GAA in general sit up and take notice.

    At the time I thought his being gone from Donegal as Jim McGuinness`s assistant so soon after them winning the All Ireland in 2012 may have had some bearing on those rumours, but that it seems was a management rather than a county board one as they employed him as manager as soon as McGuinness vacated the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I think the statement from the Fermanagh County Board is significant. They stated that "no official complaint was made". They knew.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,729 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not sure what you mean. I think that the vast majority people can read this that Nicola is not making this up. That he did physically abuse and hurt her.

    Personally I think one would have to be a bit thick to not believe her that he was violent towards her.

    Simple: he is not strongly denying it because he knows it is true, and he knows plenty others know it to be true. In other words, he cannot strongly deny something that is so true, and that has happened for years and years. Not like it’s some one-off he said-she said private incident that he could completely dismiss and deny!!

    So he’s “stuck” with not admitting it and not denying it. That is exactly what I’d expect here for this situation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭crusd


    The standard of proof as to whether someone is convicted of a crime has not been met in this situation. This is not however the level of proof required to make an assessment as to whether someone is appropriate to hold a high profile voluntary position. Donegal, Fermanagh and Derry CB's were well aware of the character "flaws" of the individual they chose to appoint to the voluntary position of manager and should have let those flaws inform their decisions in appointing the voluntary manager of their inter-county teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,859 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I hope the kids have a happy safe childhood and teenagehood



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It is up there with Gallagher's own statement where he didn't deny the allegations but said the courts had addressed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Of course he can't deny it. If he admits it in any way, he could lose the children, and he could be sued for defamation in civil court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Sums up the way this discussion is going that even though you agreed with the person's point in the last sentence it still took so long to get to that stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    RTE reporting he has resigned from his Derry role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin



    "Derry GAA making no further comment at this time". Convenient, that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭downthemiddle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,843 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Right decision and I think Derry GAA have handled a difficult situation reasonably well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I'd say the GAA are DELIGHTED with this news story-it's completely distracted from the rage about GAA Go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭combat14


    what comment can they make "we knew he is a wife beater" .. .there have been 2 police investigations that have been both closed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Huh? They appointed him, knowing the issues. The didn't fire him when it became public. Don't think that was handling it reasonably well.



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