Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Hopium nonsense.

Ukraine had such a treaty with security guarantees with Russia - Budapest agreement. It was Russia who repeatedly violated it and they were not deterred by promises of support from US, UK.

So what security guarantee, short of Ukraine in NATO, do you think Ukraine should find acceptable?

Because we've been here before, and it is Russia who repeatedly break these treaties and cannot be trusted to abide by any agreement.

Well, for people who do deals regularly - why would you trust a deal with people who regularly break the deals they sign with you?

Well???

They should move the Patriots a few tens of meters every time there is a missile attack.

Disband NATO?

SO without NATO, what is stopping Russia from taking back the Baltic States and trying to dominate Ukraine again? How would disbanding the CSTO prevent that?

Absolute nonsense.

Ukraine already signed a treaty with Russia, giving up strategic offensive weapons, in return for Russian security guarantees. Russia violated that treaty repeatedly.

The NATO-Russia Founding Act sets out what weapons systems could be deployed to a Ukraine in NATO, and nope, they wouldn't get fully armed up with NATO equipment that threatens Moscow.

You don't have any answers and are clueless about actual treaties between Ukraine, Russia and NATO. That is obvious.

Did stopping the shooting sober Russia up in Chechnya? Nope. They just returned re-armed and flattened cities.

So you work it out from there what's likely to happen with Russia and Ukraine based on Russia's past actions with such treaties, because that is the reality not some fantasy in your head about red mists.

Yeah you don't have faith in the history you get yet seem to accept Russia's propaganda version of why they are in Ukraine.

A morally and intellectually bankrupt position.

From the previous videos we can see what air defense missile launches look like from each perspective. Missile are easily visible in flight immediately after launch.

Those 2 blasts have none of these factors immediately afterwards. Not to mention the shockwaves from the closer of the 2 videos.

All this is is a cry for more war. Disband NATO and suddenly you have a lot more of Eastern Europe as a target for Russian aggression, Putin didn't target a NATO country and indeed has massively increased its border with NATO given it forced Finland into the alliance.

Complete destruction of the Ukranian military wouldn't stop the violence. It would just move it to Georgia. The only way this ends is when Russia is defeated, that is the only avenue that does not lead to another war in a few months time.

You can't negotiate with a vicious dictatorial regime bent on empire building - Chamberlain found that out long ago among many others. The collective west has realised this and is assisting Ukraine to draw a very strong line in the sand. Russia needs to be driven out of Ukraine, massive reparations paid, Ukrainian citizens repatriated and the Russian leadership jailed or executed. The sooner Russia sues for peace the better for all.

You're right about one thing - this war is existential for future European peace.

You should send in your idea

https://gur.gov.ua/en/content/contacts.html

More those drones being sent by the UK

"The UK will send Ukraine hundreds of suicide drones it has had custom-built to support Kyiv on the battlefield.

The announcement came as Volodymyr Zelensky met with Rishi Sunak at Chequers to discuss what further support the UK could provide.

The kamikaze drones have a range of more than 125 miles – more than twice as far as the highly successfully Himars – and complement the long-range Storm Shadow missiles the UK donated to Ukraine last week.

Last Saturday, Ukraine fired the cruise missiles for the first time, hitting a Russian supply depot and a military command centre 80 miles behind the front line."

"Defence sources conceded to the Telegraph that the drones were “one-way”, adding that they had a “primary goal to carry munitions”. 

“They’ve been rapidly developed and adapted at significantly lower costs than others,” they said, adding that “they have a comparable effect to an artillery shell”.

The source said that the secrecy was because of commercial confidence as the drones were still going through the later stages of procurement, before adding: “They will be delivered in the coming months.”

From the Telegraph

Zero bearing on limited Air defense missles.

They still don't have the 1 million artillery shells promised months ago,

Oh, but that's where you are wrong!! Where else is he going to get the cannon fodder from??? Our Vladimir and his Oligarchs and Silovicki have problem's too, I'll have you know!! Its not all plain sailing as some people seem to think, persuading people ( even Serf's) to die for you, and its getting harder and harder. I am at a loss to know what we will do if it continues like this.

As Golda Meir said ( and she was 100% right) "you cannot make deals with people whom have come to kill you". And that's a perfect description of Putin and his "Negotiators". When your foot is on the head of this particular snake, and it's crushed, then you can make a deal, but not before.

More on Donbas

Not great

It must be absolutely humiliating for Russian tech and military leaders that their vaunted hypersonic weapons have been proven to be wunderwaffe. Still deadly, but not invincible.

Either radar or ECS component of the "battery" destroyed last night. Radar most likely as it reveals itself during targeting.

Ukraine still have at least 1 more functional patriot battery though?

You mean proven *not* to be wunderwaffen?