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2022-23 UEFA Champions League

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    In an alternate universe, yes. City can't break a ten man blanket defence, when it matters most



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    I think both Inter and Milan would be beaten by City, neither team are actually that good at defending imo, both give away too many chances. Having said that, anything can happen in a one off game so I hope whichever of the two progress wins the final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    It's simply a matter of sticking everyone behind the ball and smothering them, if Madrid don't snuff them out before that.

    How many times do they have to fail, by repeatedly being too blunt, before people realize they aren't up to it when it matters?

    It's ball through the eye of a needle stuff, the way they play, at this level. They simply can't pull it off with any consistency. He couldn't do it with Bayern either, same problem. Too blunt

    He did it with Barca, just about, but they too were often found out. Difference was their players grew up playing that game, which complimented his style, where they could regularly find that ball through the eye of a needle pass. But if their level even dropped slightly they were in trouble. It has to be 10/10 every time.

    The City and Bayern players didn't grow up with his game, they don't have that craft and cutting edge to hurt teams when it really matters, nor do they have the confidence.

    A "rubbish" Inter or Milan will snuff them out too, if City get past Madrid. Just wait and see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    On a serious note, people should take heed of what's developing in regards the structure of Milan, particularly since Maldini arrived.

    Leao signed a new contract. Diaz says he doesn't want to leave after his loan, Ibrahimovic wants to be there to mentor them, Saelemaekers wants to stay even if he's second choice.

    They're limited relative to the talent of other top teams around them, but they've built, and continue to do so, a culture of the team is family. Players made sit down and study the clubs history, respect for the magnitude of the clubs history, and the honour it entails to play for them.

    Players like Leao putting this ahead of arbitrary monetary gains, and in general the players fighting for one another, and taking genuine pride in the team they're playing for.

    Milan haven't got this far because of money and talent, but the work ethic and passion the players genuinely feel playing for the club, and pulling together.

    They've created a feel good family atmosphere, where everyone is fighting for the same cause. No matter what this team achieves, what they're about should be acknowledged and commended.



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    You call it parking the bus, but sitting deep and having an effective counter attacking game is never going to be redundant at this level. But it still does depend on other factors, like what quality you have and how good your players are under pressure in big moments etc. Sitting deep and playing the percentages won't work against the likes of City if you have crap players. (but then no system can really)

    Like I said, there are quite a lot of fans who are idealists in how they want the game to be played. So they don't like functional or pragmatic styles of play. This creates a mental bias in how they view things.

    But I completely disagree with you. I think it's more your bias around how you like to see the game being played, so you are convincing yourself that the fundamentals of the game have shifted when they really haven't. Being well organised and defending properly is never going to go out of fashion or become a redundant strategy in the game. Because it's a key fundamental to the sport.

    The fact that Serie A is doing so well throughout all European competitions this season, despite there not being much money in the league relative to other nations, would seem to suggest to me that intelligent and pragmatic tactics still work very well at this level. And you still stand a good chance of beating teams with slightly better technical players if you get everything else right that you can control. But you've still got to a have a little bit of talent as well... at this level you will get found out if your teams is full of journeymen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    What happened to your predictions that Inter would buckle under the pressure of playing Milan in a big game?

    The opposite happened, Milan wilted under the pressure and didn't play to their potential.

    I'm not sure why I'm even giving your posts any attention. It's a bit like having a conversation with a drunk guy in the bookies... 🤣



  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Pigmy? sure Milan have more champions league, but They've won as many scudettos and more Copa Italias. They also have 3 uefa cups to their name while Milan have none (albeit they have 2 cup winners cups).


    They're possibly the poorest semi finalist pair in some time in the competition though, and the pair of them are doing their best to not qualify through the league



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,117 ✭✭✭jacool


    I haven't been watching Italian football since Parma disappeared, but hope the winner of this semi-final lifts the trophy.

    Re the structure of Milan - More relevant than any of these is the fact that Notali actually took a play cut to stay at Milan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    They faced the fans at the weekend, owed them an explanation. It's been instilled in them they play for the team and the fans, and not just the lip service other over paid players give, the Milan players are genuinely playing for the honour of the club.

    Losing to Spieza is a blessing in disguise, now no one giving them a chance, they prefer that. They also had to face the fans, to restate their commitment to dig in and fight. It could be the spark that lifts them. There's a twist to come yet.

    On Tonali, yes he's another one. What's so unusual with the ethos the players are buying into is its unprecedented. You have cases like Bielsa, where a manager revitalizes a club, and everyone buys into the system and you have that feel good factor. But when he leaves it falls apart.

    With Milan it's not a case of the players buying into what Pioli is doing, the tactics or anything like that, but they're buying into the club completely, it's history as an institution, which will transcend managers and systems.

    It's Maldini's greatest success, instilling his love into the club and the players buying into it. They know they don't have the talent and money of the others, they've even been told that, but they're prepared to run through walls for the club trying to do its name and history justice.

    On certain weeks they don't look interested or blunt, but it's to be expected when you exert everything every week to continually punch above your weight. They died in their boots to win that league last year.

    They've become victims of their own success, they've been punching above their weight for so long, it's now expected of them. But when they've looked down and out before, they've faced the fans head on, and promised them they'd double down and give one more push.

    That's what we've seen at the weekend, not a beaten team giving up with their heads down, getting lashed out of it by the fans, but a team facing the fans to let them know, they are going to double down and give one huge final push. And they have faced the fans before and risen to the occasion.

    It's only half time in this tie, Milan are going to throw the kitchen sink at this. People who watched them once on Wednesday, don't understand any of the above. They aren't a beaten team, they're facing the fans to get that fire to rise to the occasion!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Inter won a heap on uncontested titles in the late 00s to bring their numbers up, in reality were always behind



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Really looking forward to the 2 ties this week. I think both have plenty of drama left in them, especially if Milan get that 1st goal, it could be a cracker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Tie ain't over. Milan will score first and turn the screw on them!



  • Site Banned Posts: 20,685 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Inter still won handy uncontested titles. And your naive if you think Inter weren't at the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    That's an interesting take... they were only handed 1 title (06), with the 05 title going to no-one. I don't think it can credibly be stated that Inter's 07 title win was uncontested - yes there was no Juve, but there was still everyone else. Milan had an 8 point deduction, but Inter beat them by 36 points. I'm sure the controversy impacted Milan on the field, but ultimately they cheated, they got caught, and they underperformed afterwards, so that's kind of all on them.

    Both huge clubs obviously. Can't say I share any of your optimism for Tuesday though, especially with such a limp weekend performance and loss. Shines a light on the issues in depth, that players who should be fighting for a chance to make an impression so they could play a part in the second leg just didn't really show up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Jesus, it's like Anderson Is God was reincarnated as a Milan fan.

    Milan were bankrolled by Berlusconi for a long time. They have been involved in match-fixing scandals down the years. Wasn't the whole reason for the Inter split because Milan didn't want to sign foreign players? Hence the name Internazionale.

    I don't get this glowing Milan moral authority. They were a successful team when you were a kid and you latched on to that, good for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Despite being a Milan fan and hating the Petro fascist states I would almost be delighted with those results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Live buildup on Football-Italia.net.

    Boards won't let me post the link for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83


    Line--ups are:

    Inter: Onana; Darmian, Acerbi, Bastoni; Dumfries, Barella, Calhanoglu, Mkhitaryan, Dimarco; Lautaro Martinez, Dzeko


    Milan: Maignan; Calabria, Thiaw, Tomori, Theo Hernandez; Tonali, Krunic; Messias, Brahim Diaz, Leao; Giroud



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    RTE kicking off with the old Football Italia tune 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    Do the lads on the RTR panel have no knowledge of the fan culture in Italy with this monologue??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,522 ✭✭✭dor83




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's painful. What happened is just the Italian version of going around clapping after a defeat or the giving the ticket fee back.

    Also RTE just felt the need to show some English teams just in case anyone got bored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Have to wonder how fit Leao is - though I suppose it's a risk they have to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Thiaw is a big call for Milan. Good player but very young, hasn't started many games and they could really miss Kjaer's experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    was that really given as a free out? though dzeko should have hit the back of the net



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    what a miss by milan, they need to be taking any and all chances



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,179 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    AC Milan should be ahead on the night. Such a tame finish from almost on the penalty spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    and now inter should have scored



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah, decent enough save from Onana, but from that range the shot shouldn't have been saveable.

    And the same down the other way - might've been offside alright, but that shot should've been past the keeper regardless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not a lacklustre defense and it's not lucky it's offside Steven it's called fukin defending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,232 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Stephen Kelly is hard on the ears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Need a goal in the first half, get it and we have them. Or early in second half.

    They're too old, get a goal and bring Saelemaekers on, we'll do them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    leao...gotta score there!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Good effort from Leao - though from the angle he shot at if it was on target it looked an easy save. Keeper looked to have it well covered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Inter looking just as dangerous (if not moreso).

    The longer Milan go without scoring, the more they'll have to push, which will play right into Inter's hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭POKERKING


    Not looking good for Milan. The fallout on this thread might actually be better than the match itself!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,123 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just feels like Milan will look back on that Diaz chance as the moment that could have turned the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Even enough half really - both sides had their chances. Milan not doing near enough to get back into things so far - really need a goal soon to keep Inter honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    all it takes is 1 goal to shift the entire momentum



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    bit of a kick out there by martinez



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    why are they even mentioning VAR for that one... can't VAR only advise if it's a red or not? Pretty sure they can't advise or comment upon whether a yellow is warrented.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    how is dimarco not booked there for a cynical take down, worse than a pull back IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Could really do with a Milan goal to spice things up for the last 20.

    Love to see Div Origi on as a wild card soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Why the **** isn't Saelemaekers brought on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,258 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    and thats game ball. 3-0



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,023 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Well, that's that.

    Great finish in fairness (though should the keeper have done better on his near post?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    Ye bring on Saelemaekers now, the stupid fcuks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,495 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Milan lack any sort of character. They never looked like they truly believed in a comeback tonight. A well deserved beating over two legs.

    Credit to Inter of course, they’ve been brilliant defensively. They won’t be rolling over for anyone in the final.



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