Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Lol, one of the replies to that thread,

In fairness the glacial Russian advance at the minor town of bahkmut contrasts starkly to the 100 km long convoy that was stretched all the way into Kiev from the border last March and then you had much more dramatic incidents like the sinking of the Moskva the massacre of bucha the occupation of Chernobyl the blowing up of nordstream the collapse of the Kharkiv front etc etc. looking back at the history of world war 2 there were a lot of lulls and and quiet periods over the six years punctuated by dramatic incidents. War is ceratainly not full on sustained drama 24/7. Russia needs a new injection of supplies and support from outside to get back to the dramatic offensives of early last year and there is no sign of that coming right now. Likewise Ukraine is being supplied in an incredibly finely calibrated piecemeal fashion just to keep the Russians at arms length but not to deliver anything like a knockout blow or dramatic advance. It is incredibly tedious and frustrating to observe and of course people with attention span deficit have long deserted this war as an everyday news consumption. This has worked out in Russias favour from a propaganda standpoint. War fatigue is what they want . But if they are to achieve any of their goals in Ukraine they are going to have to cross that line again and return to the reprehensible actions that characterised the early days of this war. And they will find that the response will be the same again despite their propaganda. 20th century industrial scale mass brutality has no place in the 21st century and can not be obscured or partially hidden away like it was then. The Russians really have been shown to be pathetically 80 years behind the curve on that issue.

Gatling, By we I mean those of us with unwavering support for Ukraine, and we are supplying and will continue to supply Ukraine with everything they need until they win. My "we" is obviously bigger than yours.

There are a lot of people, like myself that have read practically every post in these threads since this invasion started, but seldom posting. This is a great source of information and posters like yourself do help the debate, nobody wants an echo chamber.

There is little doubt that western powers understand the importance of putting a country like Russia back in its box, support for Ukraine won't be drying up any time soon.

Hopefully a shipment of pickups, jeeps, generators, going from farmers in Ireland, UK in the next few weeks again.

Don't mind the apathy talk and spreading apathy from others. Europe is in this for the long haul. This is the deadliest conflict waged by a Russian dictator in living history.

In years at your deathbed when the full account of Russian atrocities is out and Ukraine is lauded by all as a member of Europe. Do you want to be remembered as the person that did nothing who turned "Russian" and tried to excuse themselves for it.

No this is the greatest conflict in Europe since ww2. Russia spreads apathy in Europe. Russia spreads internal ferments in Europe. Russia knows it's days are coming home to roost. Hence the ratcheting up of above.

Ye know ye're own minds. Putin wins with European apathy and spreading apathy on social forums.

My donation and others will be going there shortly.

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People may not be discussing it openly but many are aware of what is going on and concerned that Europe needs to put a stop to the expansionist plans of Putin's regime. I don't detect any great criticism of the costs associated yet.

As for participation on this thread Gatling, with respect you may have something to do with this. As you seem determined to pick a row with many other posters who differ from your current narrative, leading to thread bans for several. Other posters no doubt read these silly spats and move on.

Welcome to a discussion forum,I'm not here to whore for likes , ukraine for some is nothing more than a trend #slavi Ukrani, people will move on I've been following and posting about ukraine for the last 10 years and likely will be still posting about ukraine in another ten years ,

People getting banned that's nothing to do with me take it up with the mods or start a thread, troll's be trolls welcome to the internet,I've been on this thread since day one ,and few others who make up the absolute majority of the posts whether it be an informed well put together opinion or parroting social media,

For instance we can celebrate 200,000 dead Russians while at the same time realizing that likely means 150,000 dead Ukrainians there is several people who have zero interest in anything but what they read on social media,

But welcome to the internet wiki and social media

There is nothing to discuss. Ukraine is a rare topic of conversation because everyone I know has the same opinion. Russian's government are still scumbags? Don't need to have that discussion on a daily basis to still support more weapons going to the Ukrainians. There is just not much to discuss unless you want to get into the nitty gritty of missile systems, most people just see it as more weapons heading over and think grand.

I remember when Europe was meant to back off in the winter due to a reliance on Russian gas. Well it is now the following summer and Ukraine still stands tall against the Russians. The weapons are not going to stop heading over to help the Ukrainians.

Now it is apathy and what happens in the US presidential election in a year and a half. I think they realised giving too solid a date in the short term just results in being proven wrong quicker.

610 soldiers + 95! pieces of equipment destroyed yesterday.

Yes we're were all going to be frozen to Death in our beds and at the time we had people on here crying about it ,and demanding Ukraine surrender or let Russia keep the occupied territories,

I never agreed and or suggested it ,it was me who said Crimea or nothing when it comes down to the end game , weapons are arriving slowly, in cases painful slowly even to the point the likes of the president of the Czech republic has publicly stated they are low on certain ammunitions especially artillery,we know Ukraine was promised 1 million rounds of artillery for this year we're halfway through may and they Europe are still discussing it ,the elections in America could cause well cause problems in the mid to long term depending on how things play out for all we know Biden won't live long enough to see out another term, apathy will be an issue but with the cost of living crisis, inflation and other local issues which could cause the biggest problem in the longer term especially when people start asking why our money is been sent to Ukraine in weapons which then have to be replaced and the while people are struggling to put food on their tables ,

No idea what your talking about.

Don't think anyone other than a few trolls believe the Ukrainans are incompetent and have zero morale,

Biden is unlikely to die in the next 6 years and we'll that is a long time for Russia to keep this war going in any case. He is old but he is still pretty healthy for his age.

Yes European politicians will take a while to do anything. That is always the way and the price of democracy. The Ukraine won't get 1 million shells but they will get some of it.

We already have a cost of living issue the amount of weapons to Ukrainians won't fix it and politicians know it. Conceding would be far worse for their image at this stage making them look weak.

A stronger support would save more lives but there isn't a chance that Russia can out produce the west. Their best chance was to win quickly and they failed.