Light sentence for 5 false allegations

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 8:05pm #1

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0517/1384177-sonya-egan/

This yoke ruined 5 peoples lives with allegations of rape and gets only 4 years behind bars. What's worse is she is already serving time for harrassment.

How do the authorities fail to connect the dots with these absolute psychopaths? One allegation, we take on-board and investigate. Two allegations, wow she must be really unlucky, or there's more to it. Three allegations? WTF....get the boat. This one made at least 5 allegations and investigations were carried out despite an obvious pattern emerging. Even when vindicated, victims of false allegations never get back to normal. They lose friends, sometimes families break up. Often their jobs or careers get destroyed and the accuser rarely gets more than a warning a slap on the wrist.

While jail time here is given, is it really enough after the damage she done to so many people. including real victims of rape?

TheValeyard · 17-05-2023 8:10pm

It's a step in the right direction. What would you say is the proper sentence?

4-6 seems appropriate. And I agree with ya OP, false allegations can ruin lives too.

Podge_irl · 17-05-2023 8:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058296865/light-sentence-for-5-false-allegations

This one made at least 5 allegations and investigations were carried out despite an obvious pattern emerging

If investigations were not carried out they never would have been able to prove they were false accusations. I'm not entirely sure what you are suggesting as the alternative?

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 8:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609535#Comment_120609535

I don't know. I would say the sentence is probably appropriate for 1 false allegation, but not 5. Closer to 10 years for the number of allegations I would think. Looks like more details are to follow, so we might get a better picture of what happened.

Overheal · 17-05-2023 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058296865/light-sentence-for-5-false-allegations

That's not necessarily the end, they can attempt to sue her for damages, holding up her court conviction as the evidence.

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 8:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609614#Comment_120609614

Quite simple really. The chances of more than 2 separate people over a period of time raping the same woman are absolutely tiny. The Gardai would have been aware of all the allegations, but it seems they ploughed ahead as normal, ruining lives unnecessarily. We don't have enough information yet, so will wait for more to come out.

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 8:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609631#Comment_120609631

Yeah they could, but I don't think that happens often in Ireland. Usually the victim just wants to move on and have nothing to do with the perpetrator. Also these psychopaths tend to have nothing to sue for. The few cases I have seen were in the UK and USA and the perpetrators were almost always trailer trash.

Jequ0n · 17-05-2023 8:34pm

False allegations should 100% be treated more harshly than they are.

But it’s a sad day when you can’t formulate an opinion without labelling someone with a diagnosis just because you felt like it.

Podge_irl · 17-05-2023 8:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609645#Comment_120609645

I am far from convinced that the chances of someone being raped twice are "tiny" but happy to see anything to the contrary. Do you think the Guards should not investigate something if they think the chances of it being true are small?

There are levels here, and I would say its more at the DPP level to decide on these things, but the Guards absolutely should investigate every potential crime reported to them. Again, if they didn't investigate it they wouldn't have been able to prove the allegations were false.

Former Former Former · 17-05-2023 8:51pm

That's an incredibly lenient sentence. Four years means she's out in two. And assuming it's running concurrently with the sentence she's already serving, it's even lighter.

It's very hard to square that with the judge's comment that the victim impact statements were "the most harrowing" she has ever read".

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 8:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609690#Comment_120609690

Read again what I said. "more than twice". Being raped by 2 different people, unconnected at 2 different times (different dates) is highly unlikely, but is possible. For it to happen more than twice is a tiny chance.

In the event a person makes more than 2 complaints in such circumstances, the approach taken by the Gardai should be very, very cautious. It might help to prevent seeing stuff like this:

"One victim was accused of rape and sexual abuse. A letter of complaint was sent to his employer, to An Garda Síochána and to the Minister for Health. While formal investigations were taking place, he had to stand aside. His reputation was ruined. It effectively ended his whole career."

Unless you think it's OK to ruin someones life without considering the probability that the accuser of person number 3, 4, 5 or more is a liar?

greencap · 17-05-2023 9:03pm

Names should be kept anonymous until theres a conviction. Its the only way.

Alex Salmond beat something like 12 cases which at one point were shown to have evidence of a conspiracy, he might have cleared his name in court but he still has the stigma. It was a clear weaponization of social stigma for political ends. Most of the liars involved faced no consequences afaik.

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 9:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609679#Comment_120609679

I called her a psychopath and a liar. She is both.

Her solicitor:

"He said he was entering a "formal retraction" on behalf of his client who accepted that there was "no factual basis to her allegations".

He said his client had a history of telling "tall stories" dating back over 20 years.

He submitted a psychological report, where Egan was diagnosed with a borderline personality disorder and described as a compulsive liar."

Psychopath = a person affected by chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.

I would say she fits that description very well.

Jequ0n · 17-05-2023 9:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609875#Comment_120609875

No, that’s not a definition of a psychopath.

You are even quoting the apparently diagnosed disorder (bpd) which clashes with your claim.

Either way she needs a proper deterrent and no slap on the wrist.

17-05-2023 9:26pm

Egan had pleaded guilty in February to eight counts of making false statements and six counts of making false reports against six men and three women on various dates between 2016 and 2021.

Jaysus

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609908#Comment_120609908

That is literally the definition in the Oxford dictionary.

And RoyalSociety.org says:

What defines someone as a psychopath?

Psychopathy is characterised by an extreme lack of empathy. Psychopaths may also be manipulative, charming and exploitative, and behave in an impulsive and risky manner. They may lack conscience or guilt, and refuse to accept responsibility for their actions.

Do you not think Egan meets this criteria? One must lack empathy to accuse and ruin the lives of at least 5 people with her lies. She exploited the Gardai and social services using her gender and claims of rape for her own gains. It was definitely bold and risky to make so many false claims. She didn't bother facing those she accused, or stand trial in person, or by video link, so she did not take any responsibility for her actions. Even the Judge criticised her for her manipulative ways, citing Egan being on hunger strike in prison. I don't see how she is not a psychopath. Having a bpd does not rule her out.

walshb · 17-05-2023 9:45pm

Absolute rotten to the core that woman. What a pathetic sentence. Should have gotten 12-15 years!!!

you’d really have to wonder how this nut job was able to wreak such havoc based off utter lies..

Podge_irl · 17-05-2023 9:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609825#Comment_120609825

The "letter of complaint" was presumably not sent by the Guards, so now we are talking about how employers treat these allegations which is a minefield. But the gardai obviously at that stage have to investigate the matter and it would never have been proven that the allegations were false if they hadn't. I'm genuinely not sure what else you expect them to do?

I completely agree that he has suffered and she was rightly been jailed for the offence. I can also agree that the sentence is on the light side.

Jequ0n · 17-05-2023 9:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610005#Comment_120610005

No, I think it is regrettable how frequently labels and diagnoses are thrown around just because someone read a nicely fitting article.

A lot of people do this sort of **** for different reasons.

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 10:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610082#Comment_120610082

I'll say this; there are way worse names and labels I could use as a description of such an evil, horrible person. Your concern about mis-labelling her is puzzling when considering the damage she has caused. Victims of such crimes often end up taking their own lives, such is the impact of that sort of accusation.

Strumms · 17-05-2023 10:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609781#Comment_120609781

The judges BS was just for effect and to appease the victims and their families. no good in spouting all that unless it’s backed up with a suitable sentence, it wasn’t of course. As always…. The wellbeing of the perpetrator is on a par with the wellbeing of the victims and society. Never mind that it’s probably a priority over ours..

7 years would I’m thinking have been more in line with the crimes committed whilst not being considered harsh. Such crimes can and do have such serious and long last implications for the victims. But hey… her mintil hilth and all that bs….must be considered….

id say in about 20 years you’ll kill somebody and get less then 15…

JP Liz V1 · 17-05-2023 10:39pm

Judge Staines jailed her for a total of six years with the last two years suspended

I suppose 4 years is something but I agree she should get more

Jequ0n · 17-05-2023 10:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610230#Comment_120610230

I’ve been accused of a serious enough crime I had not committed, so I know what it feels like. Nothing happened to the person who had accused me btw. I am pretty sure she was nuts but I sure won’t be applying labels because I am not qualified to.

...Ghost... · 17-05-2023 10:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610309#Comment_120610309

Unless the accusations was of sexual assault, it just doesn't compare. Rape and Paedophilia are the worst crimes to be falsely accused of. Egan made both accusations against some of her victims. I sympathise with you having been falsely accused of anything and I don't mean to diminish how that felt or how it impacted you, but unless it was one of the two things mentioned, it's not on the same level.

Jequ0n · 17-05-2023 10:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610341#Comment_120610341

It was serious enough, and I won’t elaborate. I don’t think there is any merit in nitpicking.

It doesn’t change the fact that there is no ground to be calling the person in this case a psychopath.

delboythedub · 18-05-2023 8:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609631#Comment_120609631

make sure she has money etc before trying to sue her

BattleCorp · 18-05-2023 2:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609535#Comment_120609535

My personal view is that the sentence for a false report of rape should be similar to the sentence for committing the crime.

I don't think 4 to 6 years is appropriate. I think it's too lenient.

Over 60% of rape sentences are for 10 years or more. I think the penalty for falsely accusing someone of rape should be the same as the sentence for rape. It's no little lie to tell. Being falsely accused of rape is a horrendous thing to happen.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rape-sentences-become-more-severe-as-bankruptcy-and-asylum-cases-fall-1.4310652

...Ghost... · 18-05-2023 2:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610392#Comment_120610392

I don't expect you to elaborate and I believe it was serious. It still wouldn't come close to being accused of sexual assault, or pedophilia.

As I have said and proved on thread, there are both grounds and cause to label that horrible woman a psychopath. This is about the kindest label she deserves. She intentionally destroyed peoples lives....good people who served their communities and who worked in child protection. What she did was targeted, manipulative and evil.

Her sentence is way too light. We don't even know if it will be absorbed into the prison term she is already serving for harassment.

Another article says there were 9 victims. The other victims were accused of other things, which ended their careers. The lunatic even chanced her ar to get on Prime Time to have her lies spread to a wider audience. Maybe a life sentence in a padded cell would serve her and the whole of society better.

Boggles · 18-05-2023 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612398#Comment_120612398

They are headline sentences.

She received 6 years, 2 suspended for guilty plea and on condition she attends court appointed treatment when she gets released. If she doesn't she goes back in, probably best for society at large that she does seek treatment. Carrot - Stick.

It's hardly a light sentence, especially given some of the ones I have seen lately for literal rape.

BattleCorp · 18-05-2023 3:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612501#Comment_120612501

I agree, sometimes there are shockingly unusually light sentences for rape imposed by the courts but thankfully that isn't the norm. The courts service themselves say that over 60% of sentences are for 10 years or more. Because a sentence of 10 years or more happens in 60% of rape sentences, I disagree that they are headline sentences.

This lady accused more than one person so her sentence should be more severe.

I'll stick to my guns and say that even 4 years with two suspended isn't enough of a deterrent for this kind of behaviour.

Boggles · 18-05-2023 3:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120612712#Comment_120612712

I disagree that they are headline sentences.

You wouldn't be disagreeing with me you would be disagreeing with the article you posted.

The figures do not include the portions of the sentences that were suspended by judges. Most rape sentences incorporate a suspended element, meaning the rapist usually serves significantly less than the headline sentence

I'll stick to my guns and say that even 4 years with two suspended isn't enough of a deterrent for this kind of behaviour

Reports of fake rape are exceedingly rare. I'm not sure we need to strengthen the deterrence. Even in this incidence it should have been apparent given the history that there was some acute mental illness and the multiple allegations should never have got as far as they did.

Either way. 4 years is a long sentence when you compare like to like sentencing in the past for similar convictions.

Light sentence for 5 false allegations

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