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Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I think the only thing the bar chart depicts is that on the 12/4 something changed regarding when Tesla lists cars in Inventory. Maybe they started listing more "coming soon" cars earlier on while they were on the boat from Shanghai? We also know from the TMC forum that they've shipped Ss and Xs from the US in April for the first time in 12 months which explains those units.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,116 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    To increase demand, of course. As they bring all factories up to capacity they have more wriggle room to reduce price and they need to bring more people into the Tesla price bracket. They wont sell millions per year at €60k a pop.

    But that's a bit different to your narrative. Tell me if Im putting words in your mouth but you seem to be saying that Tesla sales have stalled and that inventory is skyrocketing and hence they had to adjust price to "sell unsold inventory". The suggestion being there are cars piling up somewhere?

    Thats clearly not what has happened. The "inventory" being reported arent official figures and more importantly the numbers are tiny in relative terms, not even a ships worth. Of the 2500 reported, 1200 were Model X's which Tesla said were in transit in Q1 as they resumed international deliveries. You cant deduce anything from those numbers.


    My guess is that they dropped the price because they see competition heating up, they had increased prices prior to that and had priced themselves too high. They want to bring a whole new set of potential buyers into the net. They are also adjusting per market so a drop in the US or Germany doesn't mean we'll see the same here. Its a myriad of reasons, not "we've a few thousand inventory cars, lets drop the price by 20%".



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭innrain


    I read the https://tesladata.mattjung.net/about-the-data/ page which describe the way data is gathered and I must say I have my doubts it is an accurate way of reporting. That is because the inventory in DE could be listed in FR. I checked Belgium website and some vehicles have location as Rotterdam or Zeebrugge some are Coming soon. On the NL website there are some cars in Rotterdam as well. Are they counted twice? On the Irish website are some S and X listed with Southampton. Pretty sure they are advertised on the UK as well. Not saying there is no value in the data but as the number of cars produced and advertised increases the errors in counting based on this method would increase .

    Then it is the timeline questions. The European data starts Jan 2023 while US Oct 2022. I find this to be quite small timescale to create a trend and form an opinion. Also, considering that the factories output is on ramp I would suggest to normalize the inventory data. If I look at @liamog's graphs it is exactly that. Days of supply represents the available inventory divided by the numbers of cars produce in the same time frame. That will accurately compare to other brands or national averages. Otherwise you're left comparing to past results which are missing and are affected by different external factors ( inflation, war, chain-supply, pandemic and so on). Even so because of the production ramp, past results are irrelevant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Fingleberries


    For "More orders than we have cars" likely just refers to the Boards population - it seems that most boardsies have at least two or three Teslas orders on the go at once to hedge their bets on delivery dates 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip


    @AndyBoBandy or anybody else who's taken the car to Europe. Does the car automatically switch the lights for driving on the right based on the GPS or is it a setting somewhere?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    It didn't 2021 but who knows what the situation is in 2023. I'll find out in July.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭bf


    Anyone who has a grant qualifying M3P since the price cut gotten a delivery date range or hidden VIN yet? None for me, so I'm thinking very unlikely to get before the grant change now in July 🤔



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    M3P is caught up in the revenue stat code issue unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭talla


    Yes i was suprised by this, any basic headlight LED's that I have had in the last couple of cars have had an option in the infotaintment to switch.

    In the online manual (Maodel Y anyway) it does state

    "Headlights do not require adjustments when temporarily driving into a region where the traffic direction is different (for example, driving in right-hand traffic region, and then driving into a region with left-hand traffic)."


    However on the TMC forums for UK there are several threads which appear to indicate that the current "Matrix" headlights do not autoadjust and that you need to manually lower the left headlight a couple of ticks.




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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    A person at the Tesla shareholder event asked him would they consider advertising in light of the fact that many people have a misconception of what comes with a Tesla.

    Advertising for the Model 3 will likely increase the reach to people who wouldn't have considered buying one because Tesla only make very expensive premium cars. If you want to sell cars to the Corolla buying masses then you need to spend a bit of money advertising to them. It's just another sign that Tesla are becoming a perfectly ordinary auto maker who are trying to sell cars to average consumers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭bf


    I’d be happy to be caught up in the stat code issue, have no hidden vin & generic April - June delivery date. Realistically, a car would need to be allocated on a boat from Shanghai by early next week to make it here before grant reduction date (unless there is a cancelled order). No M3P in inventory for them to fire sale either for me 😂



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Yeah, It did for me… most of my driving was during daylight hours but on the return leg I had about 2 hours of darkness driving on the Autobahn, and as there was a fair bit of road works, there was a lot of slow driving close to the car in front and I definitely noticed the left beam was sat lower that there right beam, which is completely opposite to what I see in Ireland.


    mines a 2020 SR+ so non matrix lights..



  • Registered Users Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Zurbaran


    Did a 305km run the other day from full with roughly a 30 minute stop where I didn’t leave the car for more than 2 mins so energy was being used. Didn’t go over 100 and a lot of it was below that. Was showing 36% left when I got there. Conditions were very good and I was doing it to see what I can get out of the rwd with no overtaking bar a tractor here and there and not going over 100 on the motorway. I could have gone a bit slower on the an and b roads but I think that would be taking the piss.


    On the way back I started with 80%, drove the way I normally do (slightly over the speed limit in places like the motorway, some bursts of acceleration) and got back with 5%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭mag


    does the reduced grant kick in from delivery date or date of purchase agreement (i.e deposit paid)?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If you order on it after 1st July.

    Or if your dealer doesn’t apply for the grant before 1st July.

    If dealer applies and is approved before 1st July then there’s about 4 months grace to allow for delivery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭mag


    so tesla are saying may/june delivery for new m3 ordered today. assume that the 5k grant is covered? would be on them if the grant wasnt applied for in time?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Not really. The grant is outside of all manufacturers control. I’m sure there’s a term in the T&C’s that the grant can change.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    Thanks for the heads-up. Will be interesting to see if the matrix light work the same now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,781 ✭✭✭eddhorse


    2019 SR+ 55,000km , Tesla offered €22,500 trade in. They really don't want anything to do with the second hand market. No space in sandyford I guess either.

    It kinda does make you upgrade your car every 2-3 years like a phone now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Maybe I'm just too old, but up until pre-Covid I always valued cars on the basis of 50% of new price after 3 years.

    So €22,500 trade in on a 4 year old car that costs €43,000 new doesn't seem that bad to me in a normal car market.

    Obviously you'd get more selling privately, but that's a different discussion.

    is the 50%/3 year thing outdated? Is 5 years the new 3 years?



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    I know that, Tesla never had to do that before, hence the desperation kicking in. Look at the share price since

    Tesla used to sell every car they could make, now they have a demand problem. They had no need for conventional advertising. Musk with his noise did an excellent job of guerrilla advertising

    I do think your confusing marketing and advertising though

    Marketing is finding out what the consumers want so you can producing something that the consumers will want to buy. Advertising is letting the consumers know that your product is out there and why they should buy your product instead of “Brand Y.” I don't think Tesla are gonna do well with that approach



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Tesla ad should be as follows....

    30 seconds of close up video of a driver's face, with a big beaming smile on their face;

    Then cut to a Model 3 driving off..

    Then the below text fades in as the car is driving off


    Tesla Model 3, from €40,322 on the road



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Not bad

    Might as well put in 42k otr though

    Anyone driving it with these aero wheels uhhh 😭




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I don't have those aero hub caps, but the original ones, and I honestly don't mind them.... they've spent more time on the car than off it!

    Last time they were off was last summer but they went back on for the trip to Europe and have remained on ever since... I'd value the efficiency gain more so over the aesthetic gain..



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    How is Tesla telling potential consumers what a Model 3 is capable of and the price it's available at not advertising? Was the mansplaining really required?



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Apologies that was a bit condescending

    Small correction too, that's Musk now telling potential customers what a Model 3 is capable of

    You can probably gather I don't like the guy and the sooner Tesla become more than a one man band the better imo. He's costing them more sales than any lack of advertising

    Sorry I'll try to tone down my musk hate

    Yes the M3 is amazing, especially the performance model, best value car in the country, 50k is a steal for that weapon



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Fair enough, didn't realise they worked so well, I'd keep them on too for that difference



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I agree with you.

    I think people are still in a false sense or Covid pricing.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    You sir, are hired.

    “Tesla ads team”, 2023.



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