Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

That's my hope anyway.

That's not entirely fair.

A huge problem for younger voters is they gravitate to the cities where their vote is useless because they are Labour voters in 20k+ Labour majorities.

2017 might have worked if people like yourself didn't peddle Daily Mail lies about anti semites and the "woke liberal Islington set"

Labour engaged in exactly the kind of lies and sabotage you were crying about up thread.

*Edited as I meant to say 17 not 19.

Its not fair on young people which is an entirely different argument to the Corbyn one and based on a whole other set of issues.

But believe the Daily Mail all you want about the anti-semitism and racism. No wonder you are a royalist with the shte you swallow.

It amazes me that there are some on the left that would seemingly be happier to have Starmer lose to prove that Corbyn wasn't the problem than get rid of the Tories. I don't have a dog in the UK political fight other than Labour/coalition would have better relations with the EU but this would not be their priority. But you cannot help but look at the direction of the country and not despair where it has gone the last 13 years. If Labour does get into power they are going to have to undo a lot of damage to the public services with very little money in the bank.

The position that Labour has taken on some issues has not filled me with confidence, but I am also aware that to give Sunak a free hit for the next possible 17 months or so will not improve their chances (think being hammered on repealing the small boats or allowing protestors to disrupt people's lives which will be bait for the right-wing press). A lot of previous Labour elections fell apart because they promised the world to everyone and people just didn't feel like this was realistic. Now that they are more realistic, well that is not good enough.

My hope is though that while they have not been a runaway success in the local elections, the voter suppression and tactical voting will have played a part in the lower than hoped result for Labour. I don't think people are going to change their minds when the GE happens, in a lot of places it will be anyone but the Tories so it may not be reflective of the true picture. The negatives for Sunak will not go away, he is not getting poorer and Johnson will hopefully hang like a rock around his neck until the next election. Then again that could just be fantasy from my side.

Has the US regulator not taken a position of opposition to this deal?

I am not sure if it is not the EU that is the one that is looking toothless in relation to Microsoft. I don't know enough about the deal.

But having a large corporation, like Microsoft, monopolise any market doesn't seem lie a good idea.

Well the CMA had previously signaled approval and their denial and reasoning were a surprise to everyone, the EU were expected to deny from what I'd read so the FTC could go any way as all predictions until now have been wrong. The main problem the CMA has is their reasoning over cloud gaming has been widly panned as being outside the potential reality of that market. They basically are predicting with no real basis at on what will happen in that market and basing their decision on that.

Well, Vauxhall is basically a German car manufacturer, in that it's a UK manufacturing satellite for cars designed and engineered by Opel in Germany. Vauxhall makes Opel cars, badged for sale in the UK market as "Vauxhall". (Both companies are ultimately subsidiaries of Amsterdam-based multinational Stellantis.)

So the Brexiters got it half-right. What they failed to spot was that German car manufacturers would be lobbying not Brussels but London, since (a) it's London's positioning that is causing them problems, and (b) as the smaller party, and the one whose motor industry is more threatened by Brexit, London should be much more receptive to lobbying than Brussels.

No one said it was German.

Opel is the German car maker that Vauxhall is a rebadge of. It's not the same as 2 companies under the 1 umbrella they are literally the same car.

You left out the bit where they did clarify "Both companies are ultimately subsidiaries of Amsterdam-based multinational Stellantis"

Amsterdam is not in Germany. Yes both companies are part of a bigger group the same way almost everyone else is these days.

But Opel are still German in the same way Guinness are still Irish whereas Vauxhall stopped being a real entity long ago.

I'm almost certain the number of applications for seasonal workers visas in the last few years has never reached the number of visas available. Can't find any hard data to confirm that right now, but I seem to recall a discussion around the hoops one had to jump through (not to mention the cost) for just a few months work and no particular advantages making it an unattractive proposition for any but the most desperate thirdworldians.

Designed and engineered in Germany seems pretty unlikely going forward given they're all already on PSA platforms or transitioning to them.

But some people still probably think Vauxhalls are British, sure some are assembled in the UK but most are not.