Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

The Royal Family don't need to be brought into this. I'm speaking about H&M exclusively. The RF are irrelevant in this instance. To answer your question though, no, I wouldn't believe everything from the RF either. I'd imagine the truth is constantly being massaged by spin and outright lies.

The real issue is around your question about why H&M would release a statement about this. Why would they not? Why do you presume they are telling the truth at all times? Logically, Im with you, why would someone knowingly release a false statement? The answer here is painfully obvious, for headlines.

H&M are craving media attention. That episode of South Park got it to a tee.

The term paparazzi only exists for z listers dying for public attention using burner phones to tell z list reporters where to take a "strategically compromised" photo.

So, how are they to expose the tabloid press. Everyone else is afraid to take them on because the gutter press will do anything to destroy them. They have destroyed their reputation in England where everyone seems to be brain washed by the gutter press into believing anything they print.

From what the Mirror says, they were going in the back entrance to the ballroom. Probably a safety/security issue. Once inside they came around to the red carpet area.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/prince-harry-meghan-markle-baffle-30001078

The back pedaling begins as well i.e. never said it was a high speed chase but it was a relentless pursuit for two hours. BS. The initial statement was deliberately exaggerated in the hope that media would pick up on it (Diana/Paps/Car Chase/Catastrophic). They did. The spokesperson only speaks based on what they are told to say. It worked but then the whole thing was debunked as deliberately exaggerated and seen as the non event it actually was. Are they that thirsty for mainstream attention that they’d invoke an actual catastrophic event, a traumatic one for Harry to get it? If they are it is a measure of how desperate they must be. If anyone in America was sitting on the fence about them then this stunt will sway them against them. They are circling the drain and there was no need for it, a PR driven stunt which has back fired.

To my mind what they genuinely want is full time VIP security which can come to an estimated $20 million plus a year so they can larp around as shadow royals in the US, they want to be acknowledged as the exceptional people they believe themselves to be and be invited to and asked to speak in word salad about all the IMPORTANT issues at various forums, symposiums, summits etc. They also only want positive coverage and their hope is that they can convince gullible people/use bot armies on social media to shut them down anyone having the temerity to actually criticize such perfect people because clearly they don’t get the appeal and are driven by hate, malignance, ignorance etc. That none of this is happening means the cognitive dissonance at play is that the royal family are posited as the ENEMY who are preventing this by not digging into their pockets/deliberately antagonistic against them/using them as sacrificial lambs since they are in bed with the BRITISH PRESS/ they are racists etc. The reality is likely that they are entitled people who are quite taken by their imagined importance and seek to level blame at everything and anything else rather than accepting their irrelevancy or acknowledging their status as non entities.

This thread is amazing I have to say.

I do want to ask you H&M defenders one thing. Why?

Why are you so invested in making out H&M to be current-day saints? I get some of you utterly hate the RF and so possibly view H&M as heroes for attempting to damage them in some way. But the relentless doggedness by which you defend H&M is amazing. I'm genuinely curious as to why.

I'm asking this now because I've blocked a few of the more problematic posters in this thread and I'll wind up doing the same to the rest of the H&M Defense League soon. I want to explain why though as I really hate censorship and curtailing free speech. My reason is that you die-hard defenders of H&M are incapable of a good-faith debate. We on the H&M skeptic side are constantly accused of hate, wearing tinfoil hats, of consuming tabloids, of being sheep fooled by the evil and twisted RF and British media etc etc. I'm pretty sure it was heavily implied that we were racist at some point(s).

Most points made by the H&M skeptics are not properly addressed but instead are met with deflections, irrelevant tangents or simply ignored. You constantly accuse the RF of lying and manipulating yet insist that H&M are to be believed in all circumstances.

Why is it acceptable for you to suggest that there is such a grand conspiracy against H&M at play? Yet you shout "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" in a derogatory way at anyone suggesting that H&M's version of the truth may not be quite accurate. And yes here Im sure is where you will just deny it and look for comment IDs to prove what Im saying. I'm not going to bother providing anything of the sort and I'm no longer interested in arguing about it.

I admire the posters on the skeptical side trying to answer you point by point but it's a futile endeavor IMO. Their arguments are ignored or answered by some combination of the following: you are hateful/racist/a conspiracy nut/but what about paedo Andrew/the RF are racist/that info appeared in a tabloid therefore must be 100% lies/Harry was a victim of domestic abuse/etc etc.

There is zero openness on the defenders side for a genuine discussion. Any information that does not suit your narrative is dismissed or ignored, no offense but its like trying to argue with a toddler.

I really have been reluctant to block posters, I don't want the thread to become an echo chamber but at this point I feel like its pointless . Its a waste of my time wading through the bad-faith comments and constantly being called hateful. I don't think Ill be missing out by blocking those users, they have proven themselves incapable of having a good discussion.

Having read reports I was of the impression that they were escorted to police station to prevent paparazzi following and knowing where they were staying. At station a switch was done where they got in taxi and their own car left as decoy with police escort and that was followed by Papps. Leaving them to go in taxi, hence the taximan stating that they were not chased.

is John Millers report enough for people to understand that a serious incident occurred.

Jesus she really loves the drama. And it's definitely her, because Harry came across as a sound enough fella, by Royal standards, before he ever got with that wagon. I've seen it happen so often, a lad suddenly changes as soon as he gets married, when everyone had doubts about the wife-to-be to begin with.

I am not a fan of them. Does that mean I am a lunatic?

OK now let me see- Diana highlighted the causes of AIDS, Land Mines and eating disorders. Meaghan, in her time in the RF, attended Wimbledon and wrote a pithy saying with a black marker on a banana for a homeless person to read, assuming they could read English in the first place 🤪😂😂😂

I totally agree. The best course of action for him is to step back out of the limelight and get well, spend time with family etc. I do think though that Markle is in the background like Lady Macbeth prodding and pushing him.

Yip, there is absolutely no way the paparazzi would chase anyone.

Meghan is evil, etc.

Money.

But you seem to be suggesting that there was no paparazzi?

Could you expand on that please, I have literally no idea why the New Police Department would say there was if there wasn't.

What who said?

I wasn't aware Harry or Meghan commented on it?