Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Options
1…179180182184185…852

Comments

  • Options
    #5432
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120610876#Comment_120610876

    The ‘still more’ and ‘no limits’ brigade will and indeed just have marketed that as a failure of the health service rather the rapidness of the out of control population increases putting skyrocketing and unreasonable demand on it… from the Dublin Neurological Institute website…. “Given the high demand for neurology appointments, the wait to see a neurologist can be up to 36 months.” Obviously that is depending on the condition… it’s completely unfair..

    Add to a shortage of neurologists, a shortage of physiotherapists and clinical nurse specialists into the mix…all of which is documented and acknowledged…. Professor Tim Lynch and Dr Roisin Lonergan are doing their best but with limited resources, and next to zero government support…

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Options
    #5433
    Jazmin Loud Speech
    Posts: 0 ✭ Jazmin Loud Speech


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614958#Comment_120614958

    i was told by that institute due to the urgency highlighted on my referral they can’t even offer me any possibility of an appointment. So if you are deemed urgent neurologists generally deem it inappropriate to even put you on their list. So one must seek care overseas. I’m sure others have found the same in other areas of medical care, this is just my own personal experience.



  • Options
    #5434
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,648 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The reason the promise of local consultations isn't getting results for the govt is because everyone knows it's just a one way rachet . Even if everyone in the community said no they'd go ahead anyway.


    I don't think many people have much faith in consultations.



  • Options
    #5435
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613564#Comment_120613564

    According to the UN 90% of those fleeing Ukraine are women or children, according to the CSO 80% of those coming to Ireland are women or children.

    It would suggest that single men and men with families are more likely to make the journey west and that women who have left their husbands behind are sticking around Eastern Europe with their kids.

    We are still talking about a very small sample taken though, of the 8m that have fled Ukraine, 75,000 are in Ireland, or about 0.9% of the total. Ireland have 1.1% of the EU population so we are still over 10,000 off our fair share



  • Options
    #5436
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615204#Comment_120615204

    Heard on the radio this am, the protesters say they don't want any more refugees on the grounds as the hotel part of the accommodation is not fit for purpose. Fire safety being quoted as the reason

    The govt said it won't be fit for purpose for 4 weeks and works are ongoing so have promised no more asylum seekers for those next 4 weeks and the protesters are happy with that

    Seems the situation in Clare is about to be diffused



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #5437
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611263#Comment_120611263
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120611296#Comment_120611296

    Talk about propagandistic massaging of the truth. The Journal has always had a comment section that has been heavily overtly anti immigration for well over a decade.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Options
    #5438
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615222#Comment_120615222

    Thats assuming every country takes in the same proportion , while in reality most Ukranians end up in nearby countries eg nearly 2 million in Poland.Ireland with a population of 5 million have taken in 85,000, France with a population of 67 million have taken in 140,000. I think we've done enough.



  • Options
    #5439
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615243#Comment_120615243

    You were here 2 days ago making allegations against me and another poster about racism. I asked you 3 times to quote the relevent comments I supposedly made.

    Any chance you can quote my racist comments?

    Right now you are coming across as just another do-gooder who just throws out the racist card when your defense of these asylum tourists wasn't holding up.

    A bit of substance to you claims and you might have some credibility around here.



  • Options
    #5440
    Guildenstern
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    What hasn’t been mentioned much by the media that this drive to put people who are constantly arriving into the country on a daily basis into urgent temporary accommodation, is that it is just continuing the Direct Provision nightmare – for both the State and the occupants.

    If there is nowhere else for them to go, new arrivals will have to stay in this temporary accommodation. No amount of new modular housing will be able to keep up with demand, unless that demand becomes a trickle. The IT this week seriously pointed to the issue that some in government will hope that word will get around that Ireland just hasn’t the accommodation, and they’ll look elsewhere. Some ‘plan’ that is.



  • Options
    #5441
    Lofidelity
    Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Lofidelity


    Where will it all end? There is tens if not hundreds of millions worldwide who qualify for refugee or international protection status. Legal and moral obligations will have to be set aside as Ireland and the EU cant take them all.



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #5442
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615416#Comment_120615416

    Forget about moving away from direct provision. If it's own door accomodation for everybody then the influx will only accelerate.

    I'm not sure what alternative plan you think we can have other than give people crap accomodation in the middle of nowhere and hope they their friends not to bother.

    We need to deter this type of low spending tourist.



  • Options
    #5443
    dmakc
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭dmakc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615425#Comment_120615425

    Exactly. Feels like if we get 500 off the street, the floodgates open for the next 500. We had one family move into our rural community and they weren't long finding their way to a boombox and drink and the neighbourhood hasn't slept since. They laugh at the Gardai and jeer them out. No one can do a thing about it. It's a massive culture clash. I feel sorry for what's in store for Ballisodare



  • Options
    #5444
    Guildenstern
    Registered Users Posts: 277 ✭✭Guildenstern


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615287#Comment_120615287

    You mean it reflects majority opinion in the country? Democracy in action!!



  • Options
    #5445
    StrawbsM
    Registered Users Posts: 2,115 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614942#Comment_120614942

    Go to oceanfm.ie and click listen live. They will be discussing it shortly



  • Options
    #5446
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,329 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615243#Comment_120615243

    Seems the situation in Clare is about to be diffused

    Yep, over the whole country

    Untitled Image




  • Options
    #5447
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615243#Comment_120615243

    I suspect the protestors will regret basing their objections on the fire safety issue and that some will continue to protest on other concerns.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Options
    #5448
    Patrick2010
    Registered Users Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    As predicted, many Ukrainians will be staying and will be bringing extended family.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/over-30000-ukrainian-refugees-could-get-full-time-residency/a1289527330.html

    MORE than 30,000 Ukrainians could be granted permanent residency in Ireland if they are in secure jobs or education, while tens of thousands more could be paid welfare in order to return home, under plans being explored by the Government.

    Ministers have been warned, however, that granting residency to some Ukrainians who are employed in Ireland may result in them being joined by family members – potentially putting further strain on the State’s already creaking system for accommodating refugees.

    Draft proposals for the future of the estimated 75,000 Ukrainians in Ireland were discussed at a cabinet committee meeting earlier this month.

    Ministers were given survey data from Ukrainian Action in Ireland, showing that 41pc – or just over 30,000 of refugees currently benefiting from the temporary protection – have decided to stay.



  • Options
    #5449
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭jackboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615659#Comment_120615659

    The fire cert is just one of the issues. The main issue is that the refugees are potentially just being dumped at the location without the required supports. Any community would be nervous about a large group of men dumped at their location with no money and really deficient supports. Even if they were all Irish this would make people just as nervous.



  • Options
    #5450
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,390 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    This means Ireland can set no limit on the numbers who may arrive here, Ireland as we know it will be changed beyond recognition and as an older person I have no interest whatsoever in integrating with new arrivals,life is hard enough to get through as it is. I have enjoyed my life though, I live in a nice area surrounded by good neighbours and its safe.

    If Ukraine joins the EU (which is some time away), any Ukrainian person landing here will have the same rights and entitlements as any other EU citizen. Which means they will have to enter the Irish rental market. That alone will stop any influx or anything as such.



  • Options
    #5451
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    If the Ukrainians are "normalised" then it will no longer be Treasure Ireland for them.

    They will need to fight for houses, school places etc. the same as everybody else. And I'm fine with that.

    The problem here is the soft landing we give to asylum tourists.

    Bed, board and living expenses while they build up their network of friends, contacts and work in the black economy.



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #5452
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭jackboy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615582#Comment_120615582

    Am I reading that right? They are looking at the option of paying these refugees to encourage them to go back to the war zone they are fleeing. That can’t be right.



  • Options
    #5453
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭enricoh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614412#Comment_120614412

    Bribed with our own money. All you can do is laugh at this stage!



  • Options
    #5454
    enricoh
    Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The Indo doing their best to muddy the waters between Ukrainians and asylum seekers. Keep it up lads- just no one's buying it anymore! Ye are peeing down our leg n telling us it's raining!


    https://m.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/editorial-targeting-asylum-seekers-no-matter-where-they-come-from-is-unjust-and-senseless/a928430292.html



  • Options
    #5455
    bloopy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭bloopy


    On Claire Byrne all throwing racism and far right all over the place.

    The rise of the far right are a result of current policies and not the cause.

    Accusations of racism will soon have no power, if it has not already lost that power .

    The incident in Clare will not be the last. It is only the beginning if current policies continue.

    This is a clusterf**k that was predicted by many over the last year.

    If official Ireland is set on pitting itself against communities around the country, then there is a real possibility that the actual lunatics will gain a lot of power.



  • Options
    #5456
    batman_oh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615902#Comment_120615902

    The ultimate liberal paradise Sweden eventually had to listen to people and ended up with a right wing government purely because of this exact issue. They used to welcome every single 'refugee' in the world with open arms and are reaping the rewards for that idiotic policy now. I don't hold much hope that we won't end up the same or worse because everybody in power here and the media is fully on board with following their lead it seems. We are literally copying what they did, right down to the lecturing people and calling them racist when they dare speak up.



  • Options
    #5457
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,998 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615299#Comment_120615299

    Yes every country should ideally take in the same proportion, although you can understand why many Ukrainians will want to remain in Eastern European countries



  • Options
    #5458
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616105#Comment_120616105

    Don't forget to address the unfounded racist allegations you are making about people on here please.



  • Options
    #5459
    waterwelly
    Registered Users Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615787#Comment_120615787

    We need to stop thinking of Ukraine as a war zone.

    It's more like Northern Ireland during the troubles, one area of the country primarily affected and spilling out down south on occasion.



  • Options
    #5460
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,117 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/NewstalkFM/status/1659434771661873153

    Wrong Priorities

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #5461
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614958#Comment_120614958

    You know that is not the case.

    You have said before your oh works in the system (psychology I think) so you must know unless you have your head in the sand that Ireland has only had one or two consultant neurologists for the entire country for the last 30 odd years or more despite the need for at least 4!

    How can you bring this up in relation to this discussion and expect to be taken seriously??



Advertisement