EV's. More convenient than ICE cars?

Major mileage there, in an EV or ice?

I am sorry, I don't know your position on the convenience question, but considering your mileage, it would be worth knowing.

They pull out the "I'd have had to stop anyway" BS. Nobody has to stop.

I came out of Dublin airport one night, weather was due to get bad so we burned road with 2 kids sleeping in the back. None of this "we would have to stop at McDonalds / toilets anyway" bs.

When you are under pressure to catch a plane, ferry, or appointment nobody wants to stop mid trip. I guarantee no ICE driver missed one of these examples because "we had to stop for a McDonalds"

It's like the ones going around saying PHEV are the worst of both worlds when clearly they are not.

All the benefits of EV and none of the public charging malarky on road trips.

Now I'm sure the tech. will move on quite quickly so that the benefit keeps swinging towards EV but it's not there yet.

The inconvenience of filling petrol/diesel is the whole premise of the OP.

Being able to go and buy petrol/diesel to fuel your car in any number of fuelling stations dotted around the country is convenient.

Being able to add the fuel to your car while it's parked outside your house is more convenient (and I'd include folk living within walking distance of public charging).

Generally there are 2 kinds of posters:

a) people who have owned both ICE and EV car's and can give accurate and real life accounts of what ownership is like and

b) people who only have experience with ICE car's and are entrenched in their views of how inappropriate EV's are, how the bad the charging infastructure is etc etc.

I cut my lawn there with an ICE. Tank is nearly empty, pain in the arse now going for petrol.

Next lawnmower will be electric.

But if I was a commercial lawnmower user then ICE would win hands down.

It's the exact same as EV car, more convenient to a certain level of driving then after that the ICE is the winner.

About 35,000km annual, everything else is very local. I think 1200km (Europe) is the longest we've done in a day and have done that on a few occasions. But most 1000km+ legs would be closer to the 1000.

Totally agree. I have a charger in my garage so I am all set there. On longer road trips sure you need to use a public charger but I am sure in time that will end up no different then someone in an ICE car now on a longer road trip stopping for petrol.

Pop into any tyre and ask for a price on a 275/45 R20 or whatever & they will rattle off brand options but never ask about speed / weight

Cool, what sort of a charge could I expect whilst driving a Hearse through a McDonald's drive through to grab a coffee, genuine question, because that is what I did.

I was in bed at the hotel at 2am, up at 8 to go again, if I'd to charge en route I'd have less sleep.

This is an Irish site so not sure how relevant your story is to an island that's 200km wide by 400km long.

Also in Europe camping in the wilds would generally involve walking rather than driving.

Garage car washes 😫

There's too much nitpicking around this topic.

I think it's fair to say that only individuals themselves can answer this question based on their typical needs. The fact is that EVs are more convenient for some people and less/not convenient for others. Everyone is going to derive different levels of convenience from their own unique emotions, logic and lived experience.

A couple of posters have mentioned that nobody needs to stop every 2 hours and were quite critical of those that do. I think it's very narrowminded, just because you don't need to stop every 2 hours at service stations doesn't mean others don't. Some people need regular bathroom breaks, young kids especially.

Some of us rarely do 400-500km+ return journeys regularly in a single day. So the notion of having to charge on the go is not a major inconvenience to sway from the experience of owning a EV.

The convenience of having a full charge for daily commutes and the effortless driving, overtaking and quiet cabin that comes with EV ownership does make it more convenient in my opinion.

One thing we can all agree on is the public charging network is abysmal in this country for those who like to do long distance trips regularly and don't want the hassle of locating and/or queuing for the few existing chargers. Funding needs to be quadrupled for public charging infrastructure going forward.

A minimum number of stalls should be mandated at service stations depending on their location/commuting/tourist population and provide grants for them to install. 150kw minimum charging speeds. Standardised cards/payment methods.

This is my thinking too.

My HH went full EV within a couple of months of getting a Leaf 24 (we got a second one) and we stayed that way for over 5 years. I drove Dublin to Belfast a couple of times and did a few trips outside the range of the car. I really enjoyed being an EV driver and though it restricted me in some ways, I found it was worth it for me, as I wasn't much distance. I had 2 years of free charging in DCC when I commuted into the CC and charged up on the destination charger.

Last year, I changed job and the Leaf wouldn't have enough range in the colder months for my return journey. I ended up with a Model 3 and have buckets more range than I need. Driving at the speed limit, I could do my commute the full 5 days. I'm considering driving my Son to Germany in a few months if I can organise time off work. I have zero concerns about range or charging along the way.

I charge every 3rd or 4th night and don't care at all as long as the battery is above 20% which is enough to get me to and from work before touching the buffer of ~50km. I don't live with emergencies in mind. I deal with emergencies if and when they arise. For me, an EV is now more convenient, because I have plenty of range and my own drive-way.

I am pretty sure you would never have to queue if you paid 3 euro a litre,

There are 4 AC chargers in the airport, right beside one of the doors, usually iced, in fairness you would hardly notice them.

Last time I was in the blue carpark there was 1 or 2 rapid chargers just as you were leaving the car park, in my opinion, I would have enough of waiting at that stage, between boarding, bags, passports, bus to cark park and to finish it off, waiting another 10 minutes minimum sounds like extra fun, charging for a trip home to Kerry would surely require more than 10 minutes.

The minor inconvenience of filling up sounds reasonable compared to an unknown, last time I filled up coming back from the airport was around 2 years ago at 1.30 am, cold and wet, looked over at the lone charger and thought to myself thank god I am not stuck there.

There were still queues when it was over €2. It's not like you have a choice, or can make your own. You pay whatever OPEC say you'll pay. Having a 15min break towards the end of making day of travelling when most people would be stopping anyway is at worst a minor inconvenience once a year vs the same inconvenience every week or two with a fossil

I think the message that a 3 year old EV is all but obsolete compared to latest model doesn't do any favours in selling the EV story to the skeptical or those nervous about taking the leap to EVs. The reality is that the degradation of that 3 year old M3 battery will never cause a problem for the vast majority of drivers. Or at least I'm sure that's the message you would be relaying to any prospective buyer of said car.

If those stats are reliably achievable could it now be argued that these new generation batteries EV batteries are over engineered as they will vastly exceed the lifetime of the actual car😁

If you pay attention to what I said, I said it was a different product not that it was obsolete. It's not obsolete at all. In fact most other manufacturers are selling EVs with Li-ion batteries. Tesla do too, its only the cheap cars that got switched to LFP.

If my prior post implied obsolescence in any way then I take that back 110% as that wasnt what I intended to convey. Merely that the SR and the M3RWD are completely different cars.

convenience comes at a price.