Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

According to the International Fund For Ireland in 2022 - 'In the last decade alone 18 'walls' were removed and a similar number reduced or modified'.

As somebody here said, the deficit of knowledge about NI is pretty poor in the south.

The 'balance' has been upset (despite the GFA) by a party and cohort of the Unionist community who never signed up to it to begin with, seeking a restoration of the very thing whose removal in the Anglo Irish Agreement paved the way for the GFA - the Unionist Veto.

Only among those who stay wilfully ignorant. Having spent most of my life in the North but the last substantial while living between Dublin and Meath and decades of travelling and socialising with all sorts of social backgrounds across the country, the lack of knowledge broadcast from certain circles on an awful lot of these threads shouldn't be taken as representative of the typical person here.

I can absolutely understand why people of a certain generation never travelled across the border; most people don't really want to travel into an active war zone in fairness.

No disagreement regarding the pontificators, but there's nowhere in the world with a shortage of Monday Morning Quarterbacks telling everyone how they totally would have dealt with things better than those who actually had to do it. I won't let that impact my opinion of the majority of my fellow citizens.

War Zone? In all but one year of the troubles more people were killed on the roads in N.I. than in troubles related violence. It was just terrorism.

"'War' defined by Webster's Dictionary "is a state of open and declared, hostile armed conflict between states or nations, or a period of such conflict."

Another definition is "uncountable fighting between two or more countries that involves the use of armed forces "

The pira, uvf, inla, etc were not the armed forces of any state, democratic or otherwise. Neither did they fight by the geneva convention. The "war" as you call it was not between countries.

Quite a one sided article, no point even reading beyond the first line: when was the last time there was a war battle, or someone got killed on July 12th?

People are still asking is it safe to travel in O'Connell st Dublin in daylight and along the boardwalk in case they get attacked : the junkies there are un-missable.

There is no war in N. Ireland. As pointed out to you before, "'War' defined by Webster's Dictionary "is a state of open and declared, hostile armed conflict between states or nations, or a period of such conflict."

Another definition is "uncountable fighting between two or more countries that involves the use of armed forces ". Sure foreigners got killed, including some businessnen from overseas who came to N. I. to invest for the good of all the community and who were targeted and killed by Republicans for their efforts. But was it a war zone? No. As noted before, in all but one year of the troubles more people were killed on the roads in N.I. than in troubles related violence. It was just terrorism.

Technically speaking it was not a war. As said before, "'War' defined by Webster's Dictionary "is a state of open and declared, hostile armed conflict between states or nations, or a period of such conflict."

Another definition is "uncountable fighting between two or more countries that involves the use of armed forces "

The pira, uvf, inla, etc were not the armed forces of any state, democratic or otherwise. Neither did they fight by the geneva convention. The "war" as you call it was not between countries. If you think it was Francie, what countries do you think it was between? The people who murdered some businessnen from overseas who came to N. I. to invest (for the good of all the community) were the armed forces of which country?

N.B. good to see someone in SF p.r. office is trawling all the British army sites and eventually found "The British army's Museum's site once mention the term "urban warfare"!! Pathetic.

lol. There was a violent conflict according to some reports near a school on the north coast when a man over 6ft attacked a lady DUP election candidate this week, but that does not make it a war zone.

There are violent conflicts going on all the time in gangland Dublin but that does not make it a war zone.

'War' defined by Webster's Dictionary "is a state of open and declared, hostile armed conflict between states or nations, or a period of such conflict."

I described it as a warzone, countless sources describe NI during the troubles as a warzone, the dictionary definition I provided supports these conclusions.

You're waffling on for absolutely no reason, bringing nothing of any use to the conversation except irrelevant rambling about the Provos.

I won't be responding to you any further on this topic.

All hundreds of thousands who served there over 3 decades? They did not do a very good job of it so, because in Co. Fermanagh for example 92 to 93% of all murders were carried out by Republicans, and probably 100% of the bombs / destruction to property.

Do you take people for idiots?

Why did you try to get away with only posting one definition from that dictionary?

See No. 2 definition below.

That poster is just making a mug of themselves at this point.

All of this being a complete distraction from my original point that I understand why some people from this side of the border travelled to the North rarely if at all.

So civil wars aren't wars? Also the meaning of a nation is a large body of people with common culture. A nation is not a state or territory of land. So you can describe the troubles as a war between the Irish and British nations there or as a civil war.

"Oh maybe you mean it was a civil war then? Except that during the troubles most people were law abiding and voted for democratic parties"

But most nationlist supported the IRA during the troubles. Whether they were law abiding themselves is another thing they supported the IRA. I think the troubles can be described as a civil war.