Light sentence for 5 false allegations

Podge_irl · 19-05-2023 8:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613601#Comment_120613601

"The longer the sentence, the greater the deterrent"

This just isn't really true. Its true initially, but there are smaller and smaller returns as you increase it. Many sentences are long for both punitive and some concept of time needed for rehabilitation so I'm not arguing for reducing other sentences. I'm not arguing that this sentence shouldn't be longer, I'm just saying its not likely to have much of a greater deterrence particularly in crimes that are so hard to prove. People don't go "ah sure 4 years is no biggie".

19-05-2023 8:49am

Psychopaths are psychopaths, she will resume her way of doing things when she gets out, but there will be a huge red flag over her. I’ve never known a psycho to learn or change. They described her as having been diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, and whilst this can be difficult to treat, people have responded positively to therapy and participate in their own management. I think she is more complicated and culpable than that, and she is narcissistic into the bargain. Whatever a psychiatrist says, she is not the sort of person you want crossing your path in life. I feel sorry for anyone who might in all innocence encounter her after she is released from prison.

...Ghost... · 19-05-2023 8:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614360#Comment_120614360

I didn’t think it would make the Prime Time show, as RTE tend not to be interested in giving much time to certain crimes. It’s good that people get to see some idea of the damage this woman and this sort of crime does to a person.

Boggles · 19-05-2023 8:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120614021#Comment_120614021

No one suggested false allegations didn't happen. You were asked for citation of your claim.

It mightn't be that rare a crime. It's rare that anyone is convicted of it.

Your evidence for this is a case from Preston and one from France in 1988.

😕

Boggles · 19-05-2023 8:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120613906#Comment_120613906

That is a fairly mental interruption of my post.

19-05-2023 9:17am

I encountered two psychopaths in my working life, but most of their focus was not particularly on me but on certain other colleagues. Two things stand out. One continually siphoned off small amounts of petty cash to supplement her salary, wasn’t even clever about it, when it started becoming more apparent cash lodgements didn’t tally with accounts she tried to frame another member of staff and staged a scene of carelessness where my colleague had allegedly left cash in middle of the public building at night. CCTV had caught her in the act. The other one emailed HQ with scurrilous lies about her job-sharing partner and had failed to log off her account so the email was visible. She genuinely was thick about using technology. Some of these types have limited IQ but a high drive to deceive in compensation for that.

feelings · 19-05-2023 9:25am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120609535#Comment_120609535

10 years - minimum. Destroyed the lives of FIVE victims. She deserves no sympathy.

...Ghost... · 19-05-2023 10:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615230#Comment_120615230

You have posted in this thread several times. Not once have you condemned Sonya Egan.

You have in fact downplayed the seriousness of her actions and laid blame outside of Egan citing the help she supposedly needs. You have not made a single mention of her victims or crimes and have made several deflections, including your mention of the under-reporting of rape. Remarkable really.

I’d say my interpretation is on the money.

Boggles · 19-05-2023 2:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615623#Comment_120615623

I wasn't aware the thread was started with the terms and conditions that multiple condemnations were required to participate.

I thought we were discussing the sentencing aspect of it. As per thread title and OP.

But if it makes you feel better you keep howling at the moon there I'm sure the thread won't wither away and you will get the level of debate you crave. 👍️

BattleCorp · 19-05-2023 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120615220#Comment_120615220

Are they not examples of false rape claims? They'll have to do you for now as I've neither the time nor the inclination to gather them for you.

Boggles · 19-05-2023 2:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616808#Comment_120616808

I didn't ask for examples.

I asked you to back up your statement.

It mightn't be that rare a crime. It's rare that anyone is convicted of it.

I've neither the time nor the inclination to gather them for you.

So we will file it under absolute scutter so, fair?

...Ghost... · 19-05-2023 3:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616673#Comment_120616673

Oh come off your saddle-less bike there lad for a second. Every other post from you has been to point out that poor Sonya needs help. Sonya doesn't need help, she needs to be monitored when she gets out of jail in 2 or 3 years. If she repeats any of her dangerous behaviour, she should be put into a padded room with a forgotten key.

You commented on my "~~interruption~~" interpretation of your comments and I gave you the reasons why I interpreted your comments the way I did. You might not like how how I showed you up to be a sympathiser for the perpetrator, but there's no need for such a hard deflection on your part.

BattleCorp · 19-05-2023 4:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120616821#Comment_120616821

And I backed up my statement with a couple of examples. Fcuked if I'm doing a pile of research but there's evidence there that false rape claims do happen (thankfully not that often) and there's evidence that not everybody who makes a false rape claim gets convicted of making a false rape claim. The example I posted was a false rape claim where the woman wasn't charged for making a false claim even though the guy spend time in jail over it.

Here's an academic paper on false rape allegations. I'm not paying to subscribe but you can read the abstract. False rape accusations do occur.

Studies vary to somewhere between 2% to 10% of reported rapes are false with this study finding 5.9% of the rapes examined were false.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/dec/01/109-women-prosecuted-false-rape-allegations

Only 109 women were prosecuted for making false rape allegations in the 5 years mentioned in the article above and there were over 3000 rapes prosecutions in one year alone.

If we use the absolute lowest figure of the study above and take it that 2% of all rape allegations are false (2% of 3,000 = 60) you'd expect an average of 60 convictions for false allegations of rape per year (average) when in reality, there was only an average of 22 per year during the period studied.

Is that good enough for you?

Boggles · 19-05-2023 8:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120617102#Comment_120617102

From you article which is from 2014 and encompasses the whole of the UK, which isn't Ireland. 😕

Cases of perverting the course of justice that involve allegedly false rape allegations are serious but rare. They are usually highly complex and sensitive often involving vulnerable parties, so any decision to charge is extremely carefully considered and not taken lightly

If we use the absolute lowest figure of the study above and take it that 2% of all rape allegations are false (2% of 3,000 = 60)

The article states only 10% of rapes are reported.

Fair enough?

Boggles · 19-05-2023 8:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120617028#Comment_120617028

I'll leave you to your punisher porn.

...Ghost... · 19-05-2023 9:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120617999#Comment_120617999

It must be causing you to toddler tantrum because your bias was so easily shown. Should Egan be given a couple oh happy pills and have her sentence fully suspended? Change the gender and I'm sure you'd be voting for a much harsher sentence, the sort Egan should have got.

BattleCorp · 19-05-2023 10:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120617995#Comment_120617995

You asked for a citation. I gave you one. It's not from Ireland but it's a citation but you didn't request a citation from Ireland. You got what you asked for.

The 10% of rapes are reported claim is a different matter.

...Ghost... · 20-05-2023 5:11pm

I just saw the Prime Time interview now. What a complete wagon Egan is. Pretending to be different people in the same chat group and using "anti" groups to intimidate her victims. Faking illness and having her lackies live-feed court proceedings to her. The only mistruth was that she will be in Jail for 9 years. She will be back on the streets in 2 or 3 years doing the very same thing, or worse.

14-07-2023 12:46pm

Her problem was she made false allegations against too many people. Making false allegations per se wasn't her problem. Had she just launched the standard false "abusive father" allegations against her husband in a divorce case, she could have played the victim card very successfully (and had a taxpayer-funded Women's Aid attendee sitting next to her in the courtroom as she turned on the tears to embrace her newfound 'victim' status in front of a judge).

indeed in supposedly liberal, modern Ireland - where a father in front of the secretive family courts in 2023 has as much chance as a black man in Mississippi in 1950 of being declared innocent - any woman who makes false allegations against her husband will never have her name publicised if she is subsequently discovered to have made false allegations. Re-read that. Such are the glories of the secrecy - "in camera" rulings - of the Irish family courts, so making false allegations is a risk-free no-brainer for a woman to choose in the family law courts when the rewards (control of the family home and children, and playing the victim card) are so massive.

Meanwhile, the man who is a recipeint of these false allegations, what does he do? Does anybody try to walk in those shoes for a few minutes? In a society where far too many ignorant people believe "no smoke without fire", he keeps everything to himself because by even saying what the false allegation is, people judge him negatively because "there must be some truth in it", they "reason". So, he keeps the false allegation all to himself and goes through the years of waiting for the legal system to get to his case, with silence being his only remaining dignity.

The uniquely destructive, life-altering, impact of false allegations on a man's dignity is never, ever, ever acknowledged in Irish law or by Irish judges. It rips a man's soul apart for years, while the liar and the bully uses her gender to play the victim card. False allegations are one of the comparatively few things in modern courtrooms which can accurately be described as 'evil'. The final insult to the victims here is when the perpetrator of so much destruction on another human being gets a slap on the wrist sentence. The Irish legal system - especially in the family law courts - needs to stop incentivising false allegations by giving far longer prison sentences, and ensuring they are always, always, always publicly named. That would reduce the number of false allegations overnight.

Light sentence for 5 false allegations

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