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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In fairness, most US museum ships are generally still intact and not modified much for access. I remember before being allowed access Growler, they even had a 'hatch' built quayside with "If you can't get through this, you're not going on the boat". I think it's a slightly over-stated issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If you put a common sense sign like that up here at the moment you would be done for Discrimination



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think were getting into territory that warrants spinning off a dedicated museum ship/what to do with LE Eithne thread, but if the reports/documentaries I've seen about the wind farms off the German coast are anything to go by, Éithne will be unsuitable for that task. The German/Danish "Alpha Ventus" wind farm has a dedicated accommodation block built next to the turbines, with hotel-like facilities (single en-suite cabins, buffet-style messing, gym, recreation room, etc.), a clapped-out warship just won't cut it, not if you want to attract and retain staff. There's a good documentary about Alpha Ventus onYouTube, if you want to take a look yourself. It's in German, but the pictures speak for themselves, and maybe YouTube's auto translated captions can help as well.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Does the dry dock in Rushbrooke get much use? Would permanently keeping Éithne there as a museum be an option or creating a new space for her? Let her see out her days where it all began and should make maintaining her easier. It is just across the road from a train station which makes it reasonably accessible and I'd say it would do a great trade with school tours at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Yes, it services all the navy along with civilian ships.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Okay, thanks. Another dock could be dug-out alongside, obviously that would be costly but maybe keeping her there would offset some of the cost of maintaining her (which was previously identified here as a reason why a museum ship won't work) and extend her life as a museum, justifying the cost the conversion costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Just a thought, but probably not. Could it be incorporated as part of the Spike island or Fort Camden experience?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭thomil


    I think Camden would make more sense, it fits a lot better thematically given Camden's focus on the defences of Cork harbour. I haven't made it to Spike Island but from what I've read, the focus there is more on the prison experience, given how short the "fort" period on Spike Island lasted. In addition, there's a pier at Camden that could be modified to take Éithne, provided the water is deep enough. Of course, that in itself would require a bit of work and from what I've read in recent weeks, Cork County Council is doing its best to kill off Camden under the pretext of "health and safety".

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭Mav11


    Yes I'd agree that Camden would be the most suitable and I know how Cork cc are trying to wash their hands of it, mores the pity.

    I think that inside the west pier could be dredged and extended if required. I'm not sure of Eithne's draught but maybe if sufficiently lightened could be brought in on a high spring tide and if necessary the area inside the pier could be sealed off and pumped dry.

    But that will never happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Perhaps sink her for target practice in an area suitable for divers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Unless we are going to pull a Brazil and just randomly sink her, the costs of making sure she was environmentally sound aren’t cheap, nor is the suggestion of keeping her anywhere in the lower harbour. In the last few years we’ve seen the U.K. struggle with their museum ships (the most recent is an old wooden trader that crossed the Irish Sea that is no longer viable for retention), and that’s with a hell of a larger population base and budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Pretty easy for planning authorities to prevent any filling in and particular types of development for part or all of the site. If the current owners don’t see it being used as a dockyard going forward, then surely they wouldn't object to the dry dock and the area around it being CPOed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Back in the late 90s a friend of mine took on an old Irish Light Ship that had served off Wexford and had it encased in concrete at Kilmore Quay and opened as a museum and tea shop.

    The interior maintenance that was required just to keep the hull from rusting through became quickly prohibitive and it was given up for scrap after a few short years.

    Unless Eithne went to some State owned entity (like Asgard) with very deep pockets, I can't see her lasting as a floating museum ship of any sort for longer than five years. I did think previously that it would be ideal to berth permanently in Cork or at Cobh, but the reality is she's just not of a scale or significance maintaining.

    A Naval museum is a noble aim, but it should be based on land at Cobh or as part of the Haulbowline regeneration, with access from the public part of the island.

    Eithne should be scrapped with Ciara and Orla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I doubt the navy of DoD will want the eithne hanging around , with a begging bowl to save the ship going around every few years ,

    Port of Cork seem to wisely stay away from these issues, so it'd likely be city council who'd sponsor it ,

    I cant see it coming close to covering its maintenance costs - or even being the centre-piece of a marine display , or museum, its not aircraft carrier or battleship levels of huge, it hasnt got battle honours , and it doesnt have historical significance, other than being the last ship built in Verolme

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Agreed, I really think those suggesting saving her have zero actual knowledge of how costly such efforts are, it’s not a one off expense of putting her where ever, I mean even if you drydocked her totally she’s still going to have running costs far beyond what she’s likely to attract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Hard to argue with that. The original Bord Snip took care of any momentum of ambition in the mid 80s.

    Still, hopefully we're in a new dawn of capability, all things considered, despite the current very serious manpower issues. Hopefully a new comprehensive package of remuneration and career opportunities is emerging and a whole new integrated active reserve component.

    Hopefully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Both Dublin Port and Cork County Council have withdrawn their interests in trying to sustain Eithne, perhaps someone has been pointing out the maths to them?

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0518/1384328-le-eithne/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    When they say eithne was completly refurbed in 2017 what they acually mean?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭sparky42




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    In preparation for a sinkex?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    So not a full refurb.

    Ciaras & Orlas 75mm that have being removed will they be kept for spare parts or sold on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So Sean, this is a ship, s.h.i.p. see?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They'll be kept in their entirety and rotated over the 6 vessels as required. The only thing better than having one spare is having three.

    They should mount the 57mm on a plinth at HBL as a ceremonial gun for ships arriving, Fleet review etc, something like the 12 Pounders on the East Pier Battery in Dun Dun Laoghaire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Reading the article below from a few days ago The navy doing i suppouse what you could call shift work could help numbers espcially when they set up a east coast base. Its good to see they are trying to do something different.

    If they got there hands on some of the PRS apartment blocks in dublin to rent out at a cheaper rate it would also help get younger people to join. If you where single with no kids and where able to live in apartment subsidised it would help long term with your saving to buy a property




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,359 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Are the IPVs not going to be based out of Dublin?

    On the wider accomadation issue for the overall Defence Forces Nationwide the government have said they are looking at the PRS model for housing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


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    They've come to London. Would have gone yesterday if I'd known



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Dun Laoghaire, rather than Dublin and so accommodation will need to be nearby, not just any old place anywhere in the wider City.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Do the naval service work with the state research vessels , or irish lights vessel much ?

    I've heard several times lately about the russian threats to cables and pipelines strategic to ireland lately ,

    Usually these "threats" aren't in irish territorial waters , so we're not entitled to tell them to bugger off ..

    And theyre often not militarized vessels either .. so shoot em ups unlikely..

    I suppose what im asking is can the naval service request assistance, or use of state assets that'd be more suitable , for either operating underwater survey tools , or scanning pipelines ,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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