When did being woke become a bad thing?

They see division and oppression everywhere, although there isn't any.

Of course being anti-racism is good.

We are all anti-racism.

But a woke person will believe and support rubbish like this:

"the hills are racist because black people choose to not go hill-walking".

It’s just their attempt to silence others. They want to be able to say racist, sexist etc things and not be told ‘that’s sexist’.

It isn't a bad thing. It's a good thing.

Some backward people have tried to change it to be an insult, but it's not.

Wrong thread, sorry!!

Before woke there was being politically correct being woke is just being aware of the rights of minority's be it a racial group or the LGBT community ,I think it's a good thing that the rights of people who are not white or heterosexual are being recognised.

I think it's a good thing that Ireland made gay marriage legal.

Before woke existed there was the gay rights movement and feminism the women's rights movement

I think the main reason for Brexit was some people were concerned about the UK being flooded with immigrants and they feared losing control of their borders

Now the UK economy is in decline as many UK industry's depend on tax free exports and imports from the EU and there's alot more EU red tape and regulation taxes to comply with in order to trade as a non EU country

Being "woke" is interpreted by the woke as being progressive. However, in many cases it isn't. For example, applying gender or minority quotas to recruitment, in the manner that United Airlines announced it was doing with it's trainee pilots in 2021. It would be better to hire the best candidates for the job regardless of their race or gender. I doubt that is disputed by anyone. Yet here we have a company saying that the priority would be to have racial diversity and equality of the sexes. Having less skilled pilots because it fits an agenda is regressive to my mind.

It's stuff like this that get's people rolling their eyes at the woke. If there are a lack of suitable candidates from particular ethnicities or genders, then the question should be what can be done in the education system to improve the pool of such candidates once they have finished education. Applying quotas without addressing the issue of why there are less suitable female candidates or within ethnic minorities makes no sense.

I don't think anti woke people are inherently racist or sexist, though undoubtedly some are, that's a fact of life in any demographic. I think they are perhaps more skeptical of the approach taken by those they see as woke to solving issues, they see them as ideologists. All of these issues involve race or gender, it's hard to have a dissenting view without appearing racist or sexist to the woke. In there lies another problem, people are afraid to express an opinion because of the potential backlash from the woke. Intelligent discussion falls by the wayside as the woke seem to be arrogant and righteous about their position and even unwilling to listen to other opinions.

I think another aspect is that a lot of the woke thinking appears to get imported from the US. We're importing "new" problems and nobody wants more problems, regardless of whether they already exist and it's just that we weren't talking about them. So you'll get people complaining about the woke because they now have to listen to and be considerate of issues that they didn't think about and don't want to. People don't generally like change, even if it's for the better, and the woke movement involves a lot of change.

Woke used to mean to be aware of social issues, inequity, racism, unfairness…. That sort of thing..

but there has been a weaponised sort of militant mindset… adopted that changed, charged hijacked or expanded its current meaning…. Where it’s now seen where woke people are largely the bullies, the shouting down at people, the using false narratives to bullshît people, try to discredit others and push militantly unfair, off the wall social narratives about other people and their lives…and what should become acceptable…politically and socially…

woke people really pick and choose fights, enable them, yet go missing where their accepted ideals and verbiage proves useless against better more intelligently charged people…who deal in facts and also arnt open or receptive to their bullying… the wokies tend to like the ‘gang’… attack….as we’ve all seen…by and large they don’t do good 1 vs 1…. Slander, lies, bitchiness and hatred…… are regularly tactics of theirs… they are otherworldly levels of hypocrisy…they don’t discuss, debate, dissect … just… the woke bible of BS is their book, the playbook they know it back to front, quote it’s mantra on repeat….act it everyday..jeez.. 🫢

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Is "woke" a bad thing. When you see the people that call others woke a lot of the time they're not people who have opinions you'd normally respect.

If a total pr***k calls you woke does that matter and in cases like that I'd take it as a positive.

Waking up in the morning and spending your entire day waiting for someone to say or do the wrong thing (wrong according to you) sister so you can be outraged and offended is not a good thing.

But you’ll only realise that when the tide turns and people decide that what YOU are saying is actually the wrong thing (according to them) and it’s you that’s being accused of being offensive and outrageous.

But that’s already starting to happen, thankfully.

It always swings back.

Its the bullying that gets me. The woke just cant help but gang up and bully anyone who might have a different opinion on something than them.

Actually its worse than that. They even gang up and bully people who have no opinion on something, just because they want them to have an opinion on it (has to be the same opinion as them though)

I think there need to be gender quotas in certain areas ,eg at least 20 per cent of TDs need to be female of course there's people who are offended by trivial things that don't matter

I hate to break it to you, but woke people are actually promoting racism and racial segregation. They are, among other things, claiming that black people need help to succeed in life, that they are nothing but helpless victims, that black people need to be treated differently and not held to the same standards when it comes to education, work and crime. They are pushing the bigotry of low expectations further than anyone.

I think speaking in “absolutes”- be it woke talk or indeed racist talk, just leads to a whole lot of trouble.

Im not afraid to say I don’t believe transgender women should be allowed to compete in women’s spots competitions - I believe it’s grossly unfair and completely illogical - a few years ago had I posted that on boards.ie I may well have been banned- now, people are starting to wake up to the fact that these issues aren’t so simple or black and white and are leading to real problems for women competitors.

Im for equality- but not stupidity- I think wokeness while its original intentions might have been ok, has led to an awful lot of stupidity since.

The fact that woke and cancel culture go hand in hand says it all really....they just can't handle the truth (to quote Jack Nicholosn in A Few Good Men) Thankfully it's being gradually consigned to history.

How would that work? Say in a constituency there were no women who wanted to stand for the position of TD, or say a woman did stand and didn’t get enough votes, how would it work?

When was woke a good thing?

The only way to make local elections of interest to either men or women is to pay them properly. I would go for €50,000 per annum plus generous expenses. As it is there are far too few to make proper contests. In 2019 1,977 candidates contested 949 seats, less than two on average. An example is the Ballybay Clones ward in Monaghan were 6 candidates contested 5 seats.

Even worse in the North last week, only 807 candidates for 462 seats.

The "girls" have more wit than to put themselves forward for thankless jobs with small money.

Wise words

@tesla_newbie

Genuinely curious, what is the underlying issue with mixed race couples appearing in ads, other than hypothetical aliens being confused if they were to watch the ads?

It seems pretty clear that companies like selling products to everyone so it's in their interests to be inclusive to maximise profits but apparently there is a more insidious agenda at play? Assuming for a second that mixed race couples are over-represented, why is that something that you would care about? It just seems like taking a dim view of miscegenation but using "anti-wokeness" to give it a veneer of respectability?

I agree