When did being woke become a bad thing?

Most adults are aware of injustice and discrimination. Genuine incidents of injustice and discrimination need to be called out and condemned every time they are observed.

Where the problem arises is when mostly well meaning people think they spot an instance of injustice or discrimination but in fact no such occurrence has taken place. Then creating a whole stinking row and demanding that people be sacked from their positions and deplatformed etc.

The JK Rowling debacle is an example, how utterly ridiculous is that.

It depends though. A lot of sports had the criteria that the athlete had to be on hormones for a couple of years and have a minimum amount of estrogen in their system. Then statewide there was a blanket ban.

I think it should be up to the sport to determine what the inclusive policy is, not a complete ban.

I try to pretend to myself that it’s well meaning but a bit dim. A lot of people are carrying a lot of internalised fury fuelled by disappointment in life, mostly.

Most are, and are therefore 'woke '

There is a massive push against 'woke' trying to make it into something bad. It's not. As you admit yourself

Ah I thought it was about saying 'Yah' all the time like you were living in Oklahoma.

It is something bad…

you can be socially aware but reasonable and fair and open minded and willing to listen and engage … reasonable and fair and not traits of woke people. That is something bad….

Slight difference in the names mentioned though, Katy Montgomerie is a trans woman so has actual skin in the game.

I know a couple of trans people it can be a seriously tough oul life for them. The imo manufactured stoking of hatred for them is really sad to see.

I'm a bio woman and I dont have skin in the game

Woke is being awake to social injustices and discrimination. That's what it is. it's nothing to do with seeing something that doesnt exist. To say it is, is turning into something it's not.

Please dont suggest that I see physically attacking anyone as a good thing, this is more of twisting and turning things to make people appear 'bad' when there is no truth in it

'Political correctness' and 'woke' are slang terms - but basically what they refer to when used by most people are radically political liberal principles or rules enforced in a particularly ham-handed, too-logical or vindictive way or without any regard for the negative consequences that can result.

By 'too logical' I mean that e.g. the underlying liberal belief in non-discrimination is taken to be 100% true so that the response to an explicit Islamic-motivated terrorist attack would be to start patting down people selected at random at airports, on the basis that anyone - a 95 year old grandmother, for instance - could be planning an attack. (Example taken from real life)

This invites ridicule from people with a common-sensical approach to life.

To break this one aspect down explicitly:

1. Human behaviour is not random. ('Randomness' is an abstract concept, useful as a mathematical tool, but with no 'reality' in real life as Einstein saw)
2. Liberal principles require that we treat things and people randomly, to 'not discriminate'
3. Radical political liberals - the 'woke' - take this imperative at face value, enforce it consistently and logically. These people create chaos and face personal criticism and ridicule. Then they claim the people doing the ridiculing are racist/right-wing/ill-motivated.

If all that wasn't confusing enough, more recently radical political liberals require that we treat white Europeans as uniquely guilty or in the wrong, both when they are in the wrong and aren't. This is closer to Leninist demagoguery in my opinion but in this case proletariat=black/brown (and sometimes women and trans), bourgeois=whites, especially men.

Here's another example:

Recently a pregnant woman had her rental bicycle stolen by a gang of teen thieves in NYC. As the woman was white and the thieves were black the 'narrative' that she was a 'Karen' (a woman needlessly bothering/accusing an innocent black man) spread on the internet and she received threats/hatred from strangers. It later turned out that were stealing her bicycle, not the other way around.

Use your common sense: would a pregnant woman start a fight with a street gang by attempting to steal from them?

Also it seems not to occur to people to not take sides and just wait for information. The desire to 'pick a side' seems to be very strong with 'the woke', but also sometimes with people who are too caught up in opposing wokeness.

Consistent application of 'woke' ideology is preceded by abandoning one's spontaneous knowledge of life, human nature, probability etc. as randomness is taken to be fairness, or in the case of 'equity' white guilt is taken to be fairness.

Political correctness, over time, destroys truthfulness and integrity as people are required to tell lies about any aspect of human nature or life that seems to contradict liberal principles.

Also everything is turned into a political/bureaucratic attitude, no matter how ugly and irritating this is.

If you don't want to see art, literature, sport, scholarship, or any other human activity relentlessly politicised some double-talking windbag will along to tell you "These things have always been politicised..blah blah blah" and then proceed to insert controversial politics at the centre of whatever it is you value.

That has been an issue long before the internet even existed and there’s elements on both sides who don’t like when it’s called Derry or Lderry. The bbc in the North use both interchangeably. The fact that you think it’s a new phenomenon brought on by wokeness just proves how little you actually know about it. Practically everyone in Derry city calls it Derry apart from a tiny minority in the waterside. See how snowflakey they are if you say that up there to them.

Maybe they want to lose money as tax write off? As a lot of lads on here are fond of screaming “go WOKE(all caps), go broke!!!!”, so they can’t be doing it to make money, right?

Although, the same lads will also bang on about companies being ‘all inclusive chasing the WOKE(all caps) dollar!!!!’, so it’s hard to know which it is.

@tesla_newbie

Well...no actually it doesn't count for anything. The topic is wokeness, not "people in ads that may or may not align with real world demographics". I'm still not seeing how it's woke, and how it would be a bad thing worth caring about even if it was.

Much of the talk here has been about the woke brigade being thin skinned busybodies eager to take offence at trivial things and yet you're seemingly here with the abacus out comparing how many black people you're seeing on tv versus how many are in the census...

Woke people ferment in the greatest of ignorance sadly…. Nothing good about them, or their ignorant schtick… disingenuous dilapidated mindsets unfortunately … the media the world is bored of them and have kicked back… their time in the sun is fading, they’ve been found out, there is a global backlash 🤷‍♂️😉

they’ve had their time and embarrassed themselves..they can sit down in years to come and tell their grandkids about how they…. Had about 6 seconds of notoriety…i imagine the reaction will be along the lines of….