Leinster V Stade Rochelais. Champions Cup Final. Sat May 20, 16:45. Aviva Stadium, Dublin.

Ah, come on.

I don't believe you're this naive. Sure some did it for those reasons but many others are just anti-Leinster and would have supported whoever they were against - they've been there every final Leinster have made and every match thread here when there is no Munster connection.

I also don't believe you're naive enough to think other Munster fans wouldn't have some issue or make comments if a person was in a Leinster jersey and waving the flag of their opponent in that final in Thomand. I've had many a sly comment made towards me in Thomand while wearing a Leinster jersey at a match where Leinster were playing.

People are entitled to support whoever they want but at the same time others are just as entitled to have an opinion on that choice. Really don't know why some are being so defensive - just own the spite of at least some of your fans.

He also took a shot at Leinster fans too - really bottom feeder stuff that he would be wise to roll back on a bit or he'd want to be very successful very quick if he fulfils his dream to be Irish coach.

That wasn't my point though, it was more that referees matter and can change most close matches or ROG and basically every very proven winning manager in history wouldn't try to influence them.

The whole 'winners don't focus on refs' schtick, which ROG tried to trot out a few weeks ago, is utter nonsense and is usually used by 1) coaches trying to misdirect what they're doing, 2) coaches or fans trying to take some moral faux high ground, 3) coaches trying to get their team to focus on themselves, 4) fans who don't know what is going on.

Having said that, great teams should be able to get past a bad ref performance, like Leinster should have the last two years, but the idea that winners don't focus on refs is simply wrong.

Leinster were fine when it came to dealing with their forward power.

Their bigger issues were execution of exits, early injuries to key forwards, and some debatable ref decisions that maintained pressure on them when LAR had less of those three be negatives for them. If one or two of those go a different way they would have won.

It is going to be the same at the international level, Ireland can be fine against forward power but if a few things go wrong they'll lose. Winning at that level is usually close.

Leinster don't have any decent songs?

Just play 'The Boys Are Back in Town' when they run on to the pitch for every home game.

It's a class song full of Leinster heritage.

What does chelsea daggers have to do with Leinster?

A team needs to have roots in the history and culture of the people who built that team.

He referred to a small percentage of Leinster fans who made themselves known on the bus trip to the Aviva.

Not all Leinster fans, just the ones that go out of their way to draw attention to themselves as the worst fans in rugby, again, a small percentage of overall fans

I don't think they can tbh. None of those sides can retain possession as La Rochelle. Ireland has beaten all those sides in the last six months. They're different to Leinster. The players play better and have better wats if relieving pressure.

One of the most often missed aspects of sports is the ability to be respectful in defeat and magnanimous in victory.

Typically people who have never played sport at any kind of level are the worst for being unable to understand the importance of accepting a loss with dignity because when you have competed at some sport you learn very quickly that losing is something you have to get used to.

In modern times this anger in the aftermath of a loss is greatly exasperated by gambling and alcohol unfortunately.

I do get the impression that the provincial rugby players in Ireland understand this, the Irish team has been very respectful in defeat and never got ahead of themselves in victory.

The small few leinster fans who are unaccepting of their loss and embarrassing themselves are not just a leinster phenomena, there are Ulster fans guilty of similar and ive witnessed those behaviors from Munster fans on away days, but always always in each case its the minority.

The same is true of life, you win some you lose some. Form is temporary but class is permanent

He was at the moment that should have been one of the happiest in his career and taking shots at opposition fans rather than being in and enjoying the moment, after also taking shots at Leinster players and wider organization.

I'm sure the issue with the fans is likely as imaginary as the issues they made up.

Some will enjoy the spite, Leinster hurt him a lot over the years, but it is pretty sad reflection on him after I thought he'd grown beyond that (not that he would care what I think). I'd be disgusted if any Leinster coach acted that way but, like the supporting foreign teams over Irish ones, everyone has their own values.

Leinster lost their last two matches and we have fans taking a cut at Murphy, Peyper and ROG with very little mention that Leinster dragged the two losses from the jaws of victory. It seems they'll do anything other than acknowledge how clueless Leinster were when being in a position to win but played a play book that wasn't necessary and failed. It's almost like they play by numbers in certain situations and no one was willing or capable to change it.

Is that supposed to be some revelatory statement? Obviously if Leinster won, folks would be more positive. They'd still be pointing out what happened in the game.

In an effort to try (unsuccessfully) and point out to Leinster fans that the ref didn't ride ye, that Leinster lost that game all on their own. Remember we had a poster call Murphy a cheat, not once but multiple times.

Just like Saturday's game really.

Munster fans weren't moaning, they were trying (unsuccessfully) to point out to Leinster fans that Frank Murphy didn't ride ye nor is he a cheat. He's just not a top notch ref.

Re watched the match last night with a clearer head.

some performance by Leinster in the first 30 mins , even without the ball they went into LR like torpedos .

Then it just stopped !

by the end , it was amazing that LR only won the match by 1 point , such was their dominance in all facets of play after 30 mins.

the scoreboard at the end didnt reflect the match events.

That was in part down to leinsters great defence and the refs lack of consistency at the breakdown, but its fair to say that if it was another referee, like Barnes who is stricter around the breakdown , then leinster would have had more yellow cards and conceded more points.

time for everyone to move on at this point.

This thread is just an embarrassment. I would advise it being locked.

Take your grievances to Liveline where it belongs.