When did being woke become a bad thing?

@tesla_newbie

I'm still not much the wiser where you're coming from, to be honest. It seems to not sit well with you but for reasons that are fairly ill defined or not particularly relevant to the topic. Not just you but this whole thread seems to just be people moaning about the woke brigade in a way that's as annoying and petty as the stuff ye are accusing the workerati of doing. Life is too short for any of it in my opinion.

The insistence by marketing staff in many orgs in Ireland to place Africans in adverts/brochures, etc., is pandering to the woke agenda.

They incorrectly think there is oppression everywhere, so they feel they must rebalance some imagined wrong.

I wonder does this happen in Turkey or Japan?

In Turkey, do colleges/universities/health insurers say: "Jaysus, we better put some Celts in the advert".

Obviously they don't, as they have not been infected by this bonkers thinking yet.

I absolutely despise the term. It's become a catch all label for the idiot brigade.

It's simultaneously shorthand for everything and nothing, which therefore nullifies all things.

katy is a trans person who's tweeting about her rights. She's tweeting about stuff that actually affects her and her community.

Graham Linehan is someone who became so obsessed with trans people his wife and family had to leave him. He's a sad little man. He's an example of how someone can become too obsessed with the culture war.

Oh yeah, all those people who are aware of discrimination and social injustices, what terrible people they are. Awful. Expecting others not to be racist and treat people equally. How disgusting. They should round them up and throw away the keys.

For a moment I thought I was on Twitter reading this thread.

Ironically most Anti-Woke people I know are the ones who "cancel" the most and have the highest "Emotive" reactions. the only difference separating Woke & Anti-Woke is at what intensity level is given.

On a more serious note though - We have lost the common sense, average voice.

Many people out there who support a persons rights to free speech, no matter what it is, but also support abortion and are uncomfortable with there being multiple genders but continue to learn what it's all about.

I think anyway.

Was it "the woke" that cancelled Bud light btw?

America has always been a racially divided country that is completely obsessed with skin colour. To say otherwise is a gross misrepresentation of what non-white people have gone through over the last two and a half centuries.

They were so obsessed, white people and black people had different entrances to buildings, different water faucets to drink from, different sections to sit on on a bus etc. etc.

If being aware of that is a bad thing, well, I'm very guilty so.

What is it with you guys and offering

1: video as any kind of proof. Why can you not offer a synopsis? Many people like myself right now are not in a position to watch and listen to a video, no matter how long it is.

2: it's always from an incredibly biased source. In this case GBNews is a right wing entertainment channel, of course it's users parrot what it states.

There was no dishonest representation. America has ALWAYS had a race problem. And now, finally it's getting to grips with it. Of course white people get offended when they're referred to as colonisers. The fact is their ascendants were most likely, colonisers. White people are not native to North America.

Maybe this is why history class is so important after all.

Yes it is bad advice.

And it is so glaringly hypocritical to tell people to do one thing while you are doing the exact opposite.

If you watch Jordan Peterson regularly you will notice after a while he can burst into tears at any moment. He appears to me to be neurotic.

The problem is that the underlying principles of wokeness are accepted by most people so that when extreme versions of it appear they have no way of rejecting it.

I reject it for the philosophical reasons I stated earlier, but also historical injustices should be put in a proper broad context.

I would like to know why Irish people should care more about e.g. reparations for American blacks descended from African slaves as opposed to reparations for the descendants of enslaved Greeks, Serbians, Croatians, Montenegrins, Bosnians, Slovenes captured by the Ottoman Turks.

Plenty of the descendants of those slave-owners, Turkish merchants and other big-wigs, living the high life now in Istanbul which is a thriving city. They were colonialists too.

But of course we watch American TV, not Balkan TV. So it is a thousand films and TV series about racist Southerners that is burned into our brains.

Woke involve themselves in provoking and advocating injustice, unfairness and the vast majority of them or certainly a good number are bullies and enact entrenched bullying tactics to attempt to shout down, discredit, insult and provoke those with counter viewpoints…you don’t see them having anything approaching a reasonable, fair and educated debate with anyone… they only have empathy for their own lot, their own ideals and their own scheming mindsets….. don’t like it when they get shown up, they lose their shït. Woke is not good, it’s like a cancer but like cancer with better treatments and more awareness it’s been beaten… won’t go away 100% but it’s treatable in society now and sound thinking fair people are on top of them and make lifestyle choices to avoid getting… woke.… 🥸

The basic part of being woke as I understand it is being anti racist and anti all the other prejudices that are out there. And that to me is perfectly fine and really should be a baseline for people in 2023.

The issue I have and think it hurts the underlying good parts are when there is lists of words released and suggesting intent for words and phrases that most likely was never the intention of the people who came up with it in some cases hundreds of years ago. I’ve seen it with Disney plus where there are warnings about the content of movies from the 1990s and the first few times i saw it I was genuinely confused because the movies I question, I’d have never said they promoted those things.

Woke for me is closer to prioritising overly emotive conscientiousness over Situational awareness

now of course that probably makes no sense, but it's how I feel and that's the main thing in all of this