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Giro d'Italia 2023

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    #482
    Squidgy Black
    Registered Users Posts: 21,648 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624689#Comment_120624689

    Even worse, a truly boring day tomorrow so!



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    #483
    G1032
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624721#Comment_120624721

    I thought it was brilliant. Well the last 15km anyway.



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    #484
    retalivity
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    The whole Pinot/Cepeda incident from a few days ago seems to have snowballed with Vaughters having a pop at Pinot, and getting people like Michael Rasmussen and L*nce weighing in after

    https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/1660308467784237060


    https://twitter.com/ThibautPinot/status/1660322129307398146




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    #485
    Squidgy Black
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    Just shows how much of a wanker Vaughters is when you almost start agreeing with Armstrong.



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    #486
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120626465#Comment_120626465

    Vaughters strikes me as one of those moronic American tech-bro gobshtes who like to describe themselves as "disruptors"



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    #487
    Pudsy33
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    Yesterday has propelled Healy into the KOM conversation and, considering his KOM rivals are further up the GC, he should have a decent shot over the next few days of accumulating points. Hope he does it.



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    #488
    retalivity
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    He's going to need to get up the road tomorrow and either Thurs/Fri in some (probably doomed) breaks and hoover up some points.



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    #489
    happytramp
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    Which do we prefer? Another stage win? Or a mountain's jersey?



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    #490
    Brian?
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120627351#Comment_120627351

    He already has a stage win, so a jersey would be nice.


    First Irishman to win a KOM jersey?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #491
    eagle eye
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    Mountains jersey for sure. A big jersey propels you forward, stage wins don't.



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    #492
    happytramp
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    He should test himself on one of the big mountain stages to see how he gets on hanging in with the GC guys.



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    #493
    Squidgy Black
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120627828#Comment_120627828

    Problem is if he sticks with the GC group he’ll likely just be made to play domestique for Carthy considering a podium place is well within grasp for them



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    #494
    Brian?
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120627828#Comment_120627828

    I reckon that’s a waste of time. He’s young, the GC can wait for next year and I can’t see him doing it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #495
    Dodge
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    I don’t think he’s ever really going to be a GC threat. He might be able to top 10 in Giro or Vuelta the way Kamna or similar does but Kamna has only done that on his 4th/5th grand tour.

    He clearly targeted breakaway days here. Couldn’t get away once, won a stage, finished 2nd. It’s how he approached stage races in his u23 days. He won stages in nearly every race but never threatened GC.

    No stages left suit him, so getting the polka dot would be a huge ask and a brilliant achievement



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    #496
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120628155#Comment_120628155

    Ben and Eddie are in the tough situation Dan Martin was in. Target some of the biggest races in cycling and earn the apathy of the general public in Ireland or launch a fruitless attempt at GC to relatively wild applause.

    The world championships is their only hope of winning something and it actually being recognized. But the Irish set up is shocking so I don't see us win anything (although Nico being involved should help)



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    #497
    Dodge
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    I think all cyclists know their bread is buttered on the continent to be fair. If media here ignores them, so be it but they’ll all earn a lovely living if they can keep the managers and sponsors happy

    The Tour is the only thing that gets out of the cycling bubble so Bennett made a huge impact in 2020



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    #498
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120628200#Comment_120628200

    I know it's a long time ago but Kelly was aware of the publicity Roche got thanks to GT success and changed his game accordingly.

    Dan Martin also seemed to know the power of the TdF and targeted it later in his career when he could have stuck to trying to win monuments.

    Both Ben and Eddie much like other Irish riders are drawn or seeked out by anglophone teams who are from very TdF focused countries.



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    #499
    eagle eye
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    Screenshot-2023-05-01-at-15.15.58.png

    It's finally here, the first day we get GC action. I can't wait.

    Regardless of whether the break win the stage or the GC men, we are going to have a great stage.

    Firstly this is a great chance for Ben to put himself on top of the KOM standings.

    Pinot will not be allowed in the break because he's too close on GC.

    I expect Ben to be in it with the likes of Barguil, Van Wilder, McNulty, Buitrago, Rubio and Gee.

    I'm hoping Ben gets the points on the first three climbs of the day but I fancy he'll fall back after that to work for Carthy on the final climb of the day. That final climb is 20km long and there could be mayhem in the GC on it.

    The break would need somewhere upwards of 8 minutes at the bottom of that to survive I think.

    I really fancy Caruso to do something on this stage, it's just his type of climb. Of course Roglic could blow them all away but he's been complaining of soreness since his crash the other day so I'm not sure he'll do anymore than he has to and that's to not lose time to Thomas and Almeida.

    Anyway I'm really looking forward to all of this stage.



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    #500
    Mefistofelino
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629048#Comment_120629048

    Rubio won't be given much leeway either - he's only a minute behind Pinot. He doesn't have the pedigree of the GC contenders but it's getting too late jn the day to be taking chances.



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    #501
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629048#Comment_120629048

    I'm sure god will send a landslide tonight.



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    #502
    odyssey06
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629136#Comment_120629136

    Already sent flood and pestilence...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #503
    Brian?
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629048#Comment_120629048

    I wish I had your optimism about tomorrow being a great stage no matter what.


    I can foresee a stalemate until the last couple of Km of the last climb. Ineos will go into Skybot mode and we’ll see who can hang in.


    Thomas has to be confident he can finish it in the TT.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #504
    eagle eye
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629160#Comment_120629160

    Ineos don't have enough riders left to control the stage.



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    #505
    Brian?
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629181#Comment_120629181

    Hopefully you’re right.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #506
    Dodge
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120628646#Comment_120628646

    Kelly didn’t really change focus towards GC. Before 1987 he had 4th, 5th and 7th at the Tour and 3rd, 4th and 9th at the Vuelta. After winning the 88 Vuelta, he only finished 4 GTs and 3 of them saw him finish outside the top 30

    Martin only every entered LBL and Lombardia. Didn’t bother with the others



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    #507
    breezy1985
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120630244#Comment_120630244

    I'm just going off what Kelly said himself.



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    #508
    mewso
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    Soudal are down to 2 riders. Notably EF are down to 5. If they are serious about Carthy they may not let Ben go for the KOM but alternatively they may, as eagle eye says above, use him as a satellite rider to keep both happy. If Pinot is in good form then why not go for GC anyway. He is one of the best climbers left in the race and the TT suits him. They could even use Armirail to attack and put the cat among the pidgeons. Would love to see it. Hope to see Almeida do well today too but sod all that - COME ON EDDIE!



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    #509
    Pudsy33
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    Vaughters alluded to Healy chasing the KOM so I'd say they'll let him go for it.



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    #510
    retalivity
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120629160#Comment_120629160

    Don't think the Thomas has the same advantage in the remaining TT as he would have on a flatter one, its 19km with a 7km climb, but there's 4km at ~15% on concrete. Ineos would be loathe to leave it til then and assume that Thomas will put time into everyone else

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    #511
    retalivity
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    Healy seems to have slipped into the break of the day again.

    EDIT: brought back

    EDIT EDIT: Maybe not yet!



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