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Anxiety and depression thread (Please read OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It can do. Any change to the system can have an affect on ya. Even cutting back on coffee, or tea, just to use an example, will change your system. So changing or slowly weaning your system off of a medication will upset your sleep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,082 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    thank you, ive been weaning myself off extremely slowly for about 2 years now, i cant lower the dosage anymore, as im as low it can go, half a tablet, just took a half there now, i ll try taking it every other day for a while, and see how that goes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Ground down by anxiety and worries here. There is no time to discharge or take stock of things. Always something to do or some fire to put out.

    Just finished visiting someone in hospital who is very sick from the system and is a casualty of our dumb stupid existence in 2023.

    Sunday morning is so quiet and peaceful compared to the rest of the week.

    I think it's very difficult to find peace and quiet. I am burned out from running around on the hamster wheel. It's just getting faster, more impersonal and more competitive. It's ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,082 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, no wonder we re experiencing an existential mental health crisis, we cant keep doing this! look after yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Similar experiences over here too. Had a turnstile of minor events that just piled on me. My Internet provider has been being a jerk lately, like a loan shark that thinks I owe them money. Walloping me at a moment's notice. Have been trying to swap over a contract, which requires a new sim, a new router, etc. A family member called their customer service, cancelled one contract, and thought 'done, no more issues'... nope. They cancelled both, and left us without internet for a few days. (Outside of our phones, we were cut off).

    Then the shower died. It's still under warranty, but it's meant cold showers for the last number of days.

    Also trying to sort out some accounts information that's messing with my finances. Things changed as the events of the last few years are winding down, and I missed an update to the system.

    And my therapist has me writing a letter to a deceased loved one, as part of a task. It's genuinely one of the toughest things I've had to do. It would be easier to write an essay about quantum mechanics, tbh. And I know sweet absolutely nothing about quantum mechanics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Feeling so depressed today. Have a load of issues to deal with and a load of random unconnected badly planned and badly communicated garbage in work to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 dancingwith


    Just been put on 50mg Sertraline for anxiety/mild depression. Would be interested to hear other peoples experience with this drug!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Anyone have any tips for dealing with paranoia? Psych next week but not sure I can last until then



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Everyone is different obviously but when I had escalated moments of that I used to do a breathing thing that required pretty much all my concentration to sustain for longer than a minute or two. Any time it drops just start again, it's not failure, it's consistency



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Yeah I'm trying a meditation app but limited success so far. I think I'll go to the GP Monday if I can hang on until then



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    You can last until then although it's awful that one has to only have a crisis by office hours 😡



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Indeed you're right, I know there are out of ours options but I'm not really in the mood to be admitted to hospital. I just have to survive 2 more nights of feeling like this. Oddly the longer days aren't helping, much prefer the calm of darkness



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'm the same with dark and quiet. Eye mask maybe? Or folded over cloth/towel?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Good idea, I usually draw the heavy curtains early enough. May the autumn come back quickly!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Yeah long days of brightness are proper tiring for some of us I think





  • For several years I have felt increasing anxiety and depression. Of course we had the pandemic, that helped nobody at all. And I had some circumstances, not of my making, which were getting me down. However even when I had little or nothing to be very concerned about, and on good days, I’ve had spiralling feelings of anxiety, really driving me out of my skull, producing electric feelings all over my body. Now it has transpired that I have developed progressive MS, which has organically driven the spiralling very uncomfortable anxiety and cognitive issues. My advice is is look at any possible organic “hardware” condition that might possibly be driving new onset or increasing anxiety that may not be accountable by life circumstances. Sone of these conditions may respond to appropriate treatment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 37 dancingwith


    Been on SSRI for over a week but I havent noticed any differences, except from some extra anxiety and depression...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Can take up to 8 weeks to kick in is the official guidance I get from any doctor when starting a medicine, hopefully though it will kick in sooner. At least that's what I found



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    As One More Toy said it takes weeks and irritatingly increased symptoms can happen in the early days, hard to be patient but that's what we're left with



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    One thing I notice, is if you can't do something for someone because of a physical issue, then that's ok.

    But, if it's a mental issue, then that's not ok.

    😒





  • The reality is that the divide between physical and mental symptoms is a very thin one. The majority of mental illnesses ultimately do have a physical organic cause, it is just they they are in the process of being uncovered.

    Eg, schizophrenia has been shown to have an organic etiology, same as Parkinsons. MS causes severe depression, anxiety, and exhaustion, with a 15% suicide rate, and it is not all connected to the amount of disability, can happen even become the disease manifests. An in-law relative of mine was diagnosed with severe bipolar, but then it transpired he had an organic brain condition driving it, resulting in spasms and seizures which sadly killed him. A really lovely person he was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


     Seems May has been a bit of a crapshoot for all of us, hasn’t it?

    This month coincides with an anniversary, and there’s a whole load of emotions that can come with that. Also, have an extended family member who’s awaiting tests, and hoping that it’s nothing more serious.

    Sleep has been weird, for sure. I missed a therapy session at the end of April. A combination of sleep deprivation, cold showers, and sleeping through an alarm. It was a zoom call, so therapist still got paid- so win for them, I think. And the shower got repaired, so a win there too.

    Really hate not knowing if my random exhaustion is down to long covid.  

    Strangely, the day I missed my appointment, I stumbled across a video on People magazine’s youtube channel. It was the director, Kevin Smith, discussing his mental health. He recently suffered a mental health breakdown, and had to check himself into a recovery facility. I won’t post the link here, because it details some incidents that might be triggering to others, including sexual assault, and I don’t want to upset anyone. And while I don’t relate to his discussion of S.A, other topics he discusses, such as bullying, mockery, name calling, and sort of creating ‘another self’ to cope with life or mask your insecurities felt very relevant.

     



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Completely overwhelmed here to be honest. Too much problems, personally and with family. Can't relax or enjoy free time, can't focus on work and chores. I really need a year away to step outside all the **** and decompress.

    It's like covid lockdown for 10 years.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Rattled with anxiety for no reason at all. I effing hate when there's no reason



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It's our flight or fight response, somewhat, I believe. That nothing is happening means 'something' might happen. Like if we were trapped in a fire, the 'this is fine' meme would apply more aptly.

    I know you've had some stressors in your life recently, that might have set things off, I imagine. Things being 'calm' means waiting for something else to happen, which creates the anxiety.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Took another day off work to attend appointment for a serious family member health issue that's been dragging on for years now. It just goes on and on.

    Totally wrecked and deflated now and have no energy to do anything or even think. And down a day's pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭apache


    So irritated all day with people. I hope this passes. I'll end up getting myself in trouble.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Drink plenty of water and get outside of you can. Don't waste any energy saying or doing anything you'll regret.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    The amount of problems we carry around with us all our lives and the problems of our families instead of dealing with the problems or accepting them is ridiculous. We end up just passing them on to the next generation. It's a real cultural thing where we just soldier on year after year. Endlessly distracted instead of dealing with things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Does anyone use phenergan? Is it available over the counter?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,751 ✭✭✭4Ad


    I bought it OTC (although a few years ago) I bought to help sleep.

    It didn't suit me at all, I felt like I was hallucinating.

    Never again..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Taking a day off as I have family related hospital appointment in the afternoon. Can't really focus on anything in the meantime. Or relax. Loads of things rattling around in my mind.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    It's not easy, I have newbie nerves here still.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭One More Toy


    Everything is triggering me, I can't even watch TV. Not sure what to do or where to turn to

    Hope you all have a better weekend



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Oh that's a rough place to be.. My missus swears by podcasts or narrated books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I've had that. where even a movie can strike a nerve and I have to switch it off.

    Try and get out of the house, or journal, or do something to get the energy out of your system- be it exercise, or just putting music on and working out to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Getting some therapy for anxiety at the moment. It's helping. However it's so easy to fall back into my old habits. Too much stuff ingrained. Need to stay aware.

    I have hard problems to deal with, but I need to dial the anxiety down. I really don't need it.

    I wish we'd got this kind of mental health training as kids over several years of school.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,376 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The unfortunate thing is that while there has been more of an emphasis on mental health in recent years, there just isn't the resources available for it in schools. I mean, the words are there, but the actual 'actions' are not. And with teachers given less and less resources, and stuff being pushed on them regarding classes or class material, there's even LESS emphasis on mental health. And I've known a few teachers, can count a couples as acquaintances, and they have serious issues themselves. Issues that they haven't addressed, so how can they help someone when they are letting their own issues fester? Knew one who would drive to work with shades on, in the autumn, or winter... cos she was sporting a hangover from the night before.

    I also know someone who took their own life about two or three weeks ago. They were twelve years old.

    I'd love to think that mental health has gotten somewhat 'better' in how it's taught, but it's not so much in how it's experienced. Even according to studies, the rate of mental health problems have steadily increased. And that was from a study printed two years before the pandemic.

    I think I had one class about meditation in school, and it was from a substitute teacher. Mental health was rarely if ever discussed. The old Irish attitude to mental health, which seems to have changed very little, if at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭apache


    Very interesting documentary on BBC 1 now called The Antidepressant Story.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Let me know what you think. Don't have telly but I'm sure it'll be on youtube or something similar in a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭apache


    Well what can I say?

    Was very interesting. More about the side effects of the drugs. Made me think... I'm going to see my psych tomorrow. I want off all the drugs. I'll taper it and do it correctly but somethings got to give. My list of side effects is 10 so far and I'm not finished yet tonight writing them down. Shocking really.

    Like I've been on these pills 10 years straight and they are doing nothing for me. So yeah this documentary was insightful.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    There's a lot of nasty, nasty things about the pharma industry for sure, I'm lucky, happy enough on my meds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,737 ✭✭✭nothing


    My current meds/dosages have been keeping me reasonably stable for7 or 8 months now, I think. Hoping to get a bit longer with them, don't think I've gone 12 months on any dose/meds/combination in 2 decades. I'll get 6 months, 9 if I'm really lucky, and then my tolerance gives out. Trying to catch it and do something before I go full breakdown - somehow felt like things had to be utterly dire for several weeks before it warranted a psych or gp visit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭apache


    Went to the appointment. Wrote down what I needed to say. He listened. I felt better. Have a plan, just need to stick to my side of the bargain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭Strong and Faithful


    Yes. I often say something physical is wrong for a med cert with 'medical condition' down during periods of mental illness (bipolar II). Things are improving very slowly with how people view mental illness.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭Strong and Faithful




  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭Strong and Faithful


    I'm on a lithium, seroquel, affex combination since 2014 and very stable really.

    Prior to than lithium, prothiaden (an old tricyclic) and the SSRI affex. 2003-2014. Quite stable too but my consultant wanted to replace Prothiaden.

    Lithium was the game changer for me, on it 20 years since January 2003. My breakdown came in 1996 and I wasn't stable on any meds until I went on lithium. 3 monthly bloods and I can exercise a lot on it and live relatively normally etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 312 ✭✭Strong and Faithful


    My go to list for helping my mental health.

    1. Regular exercise. Write down a routine. push through any tiredness to do at least 30min moderate exercise 5 times per week. Cardio, core etc. Looking well and fit is a great boost in itself, let alone the release of feel good hormones.
    2. Try and stick to a good diet of basic foods, avoid sugary drinks and foods. Just mess up your energy levels.
    3. Fresh air, no matter the time of year get air into your system, be it walks, gardening, any type of outdoor physical work is great. i also try and get a good bit of sun, Vit D. There's plenty of Irish sun if you look for it.
    4. Write out my aims and goals yearly, when you achieve something, be it a new job, a promotion, an improvement to your house or whatever, the sense of achievement is great.
    5. Do activities you enjoy. I don't get bogged down in Irish or International News. They only report the bad stuff!
    6. Be aware of the people you have in your life. Some will say things that boost you, others are knockers. You need positive thoughts. And we become our thoughts.
    7. Practise mindfullness, breathing techniques, CBT etc if you find them helpful. They can be used in areas where you feel panicky.
    8. Be aware that you are not alone. At any particular time 1 in 5 are suffering with their mental health.
    9. Try and learn from every setback.
    10. Talk to trusted people when low.
    11. Be resilient. If you're on meds that don't work you'll eventually get a better reigieme.
    12. Try and develop a toughness that you don't care what outsiders think, the people that matter care about you.
    13. Monitor your time online and social media etc, it's very easy get draw into arguments and tangents that are pointless and cause you stress. While who you're arguing with can thrive on such sh*te.

    Off the top of my head.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Thanks for that list.

    It's very easy to forget and fall back into old habits.



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