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3rd party fire and theft versus comprehensive insurance on a 20 year old car

  • 22-05-2023 4:48pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭thebourke


    i drive a 20 year old car..Is there much of a difference in cover between getting comprehensive and getting 3rd party fire and theft?



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  • The age of the car is hardly any matter to the difference of the policies?

    fully comp is as the name suggests fully comprehensive so you’re (more or less) covered for every event

    third party, fire & theft will only cover you if your car goes on fire or it’s stolen. The insurance will pay for an accident you were liable for for a third party vehicle.

    In your case if you don’t really plan to repair any damage that may be caused by an accident (touch wood) you can just get 3PF&T or even just Third Party only insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Third party covers your liability to a third party even if it is your fault, that is the minimum level of cover required by law here.





  • I edited it because I was mixing myself up!

    yes, it will always cover a third party and never your own vehicle is what I meant to say, liability is irrelevant in the case of 3rd party insurance like you said!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,042 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    I suspect the OP means is there much difference in cost between the two (but open to correction on that, obv, since it's not what they actually asked).

    If that's the case, the only ones who will be able to tell you are insurance companies - and just because one doubles the quote for fully comp (as an example), doesn't mean the next one will. Shop around, shop around and then shop around some more.

    But I wouldn't be getting comp insurance on a 20-year old car - the value of the car will be feck all (unless it's some sort of premium marque), so if it's damaged you'd hardly be claiming, and screwing up your premium as a result for the next few years.





  • sometimes they’re actually more expensive to get TPF&T 😎

    I insured an 03 fiesta with Axa last year and it was €250 or so cheaper to get fully comp!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,042 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    There is literally no rhyme nor reason to insurance quotes.

    Every year I get wildly different quotes from companies, and every year I wind up changing company, despite driving the same reasonably young car, and only being a year older.

    Drives me absolutely nuts, but no way around it.





  • Honestly I think winning the lotto would be easier than understanding insurance quotes 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    are you sure you didn't get third party and fully comp mixed up again? never seen comp cheaper

    there can be little difference in the likes of an 03 due to it being worth nowt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Where third party, fire and theft can often be dearer compared to full comp is where insurance companies see someone with an old or very cheap car that hasn't much to lose themselves and third party, fire and theft is the minimum insurance requirement needed to legally cover you against whoever you hit or injure. However the insurance company still ends up with the bill for the third party's car or medical bills while the insured driver just walks away having only wrote off a car worth very little to begin with.

    They probably have statistics from previous claims to show that these drivers with little or nothing to lose themselves probably tend to be more careless on the road or their cheap car tends to be less roadworthy (expired NCT, bald tyres, etc). There are also statistics to show that insurance scams involving cash for crash or false claims come about from people who buy cheap cars with the bare minimum insurance cover who arrange to smash into their friend who in turn submit a claim.

    Unfortunately the minority ruin it for everyone when it comes to these things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭HorseSea


    Comp is often cheaper than TPF&T for older vehicles, as from an underwriters point of view drivers looking for comp are better drivers. that coupled with claims performance generally for all Comp risks v all TPF&T risks. Appears to make no sense but actuaries would disagree.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Can you even get fully comp on a 20 year old car unless it's a classic.Don't companes get the shakes after 10 years,unless you've been with a long time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Comrehensive was cheaper then tpft for me and included windscreen cover and roadside assistance - handy when my starter motor failed. Not only was comprehensive cheaper it also saved me the price of a tow truck callout. IMHO tpft would have been a false economy even if it had been slightly cheaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Eggs For Dinner


    In addition, if you have an accident, a TPF&T policy will not cover the cost of removing your vehicle from the scene, if necessary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    In my experience third party cover barely saves any money over comprehensive, my sister never got comprehensive on her car that was around 10 years old so the cost difference might increase as the car ages.

    Breakdown assistance, my girlfriend won't be getting on her hands and knees to swap a wheel with a puncture. I wouldn't either with how aggressive people drive especially when you're broken down and "in the way".

    Windscreen cover. OEM glass in my girlfriend's Golf was €570, insurer paid €200. Her policy was €500 as a learner with 3 years named driving, very little saving for TPFT considering breakdown and windscreen are fairly useful to have as you're more likely to need them than making an actual insurance claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭User1998


    Me personally I’ve probably saved around €5k+ over the past few years choosing TPFT over fully comprehensive

    As a new driver there was a good €700 between quotes and then when I had to switch to motor trade insurance it has been €1500 less the past couple of years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    lads this make no sense

    they go for the third party because its cheaper

    if the comp is cheaper they will go for that

    when they cause these accidents they arent claiming for the chape cars, they are looking for soft tissue injuries etc, that's where the money is and certainly was, 5 people one car into a wall, no need for another driver



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    I have a 24 year old car and comp is always cheaper plus it includes breakdown assistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    what are the numbers?

    at 24 years old the difference should statistically be close to zero as the cost of the car will be below the amount needed to claim

    but again, 9 times out of 10 comp will cost more and I've never seen it from hundreds of stupid pointless quotes over the years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭delusiondestroyer


    The price difference between the 2 is next to nothing compared to the cover difference just get yourself the fully comp and have peace of mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    From memory it was only around 50 euro or so but the main attraction was the breakdown assistance included.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    like what policy isn't throwing in breakdown assistance

    the only ones I have seen are ones that you can take it off yourself, but thats rare





  • TPF&T policies never include it in my experience it’s an add on if you get it at all!

    Had another look on the new whip (a Nissan Qashqai) and it’s €75 cheaper for fully comp 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,742 ✭✭✭lalababa


    To the op: tpf&t does not cover damage to your vehicle. Comprehensive does. Comprehensive may also have things like,ncd stepback, breakdown assistance, curtesy vehicle (spare car while you're waiting for your s to be repaired) , windscreen repair, overseas cover and other things.

    Comprehensive covers the book value of your car ...so a 20 Yr old car might be average 1000.

    In years gone by there was a big difference in insurance price between tpf&t and comp. If you had a valuable car you got comp, cheap car you got tpf&t.

    It's the same now except the insurance price between tpft and comp is very little and in some cases reversed.

    I've paid less in comp (150euro) than tpft for a 3yr old car? Go figure.

    Usually I have an around 20yr old car and pay 50 euro extra for comp...not because of my own car being covered but because of all the other extras available in comp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,103 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    every third party policy i've had or any family member has had has breakdown too

    FBD offer it as an extra on both comp and third party

    i tried a few cars there on chill and it even says on the side lower premiums for third party on compare the insurance types on the site, 9 out of 10 policys are cheaper 3rd party, you get all sorts of fake %off offeres to entince so its hard to compare like for like

    anyway thats enough wasted time



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    MODS: Insurance forum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,091 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Didn't it disappear under the Great Declutter recently?

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,091 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭mrsbeebee


    Compare the price and look at the excesses (first part of the claim you have to pay - can ve up to €1000 with some companies). Look up the value of your car. Think about if your car is written off - is the value of the car worth more than the excess and the impact on your no claims discount? If yes, consider comp. If no, go TPFT. Technically insurance companies should not sell you a policy that is of no value to you but that's not to say it would not happen.



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