What’s the obstacle against downing illegally flown drones?

mrmanor · 02-03-2023 11:19pm

Heathrow has anti drone technology, and it works wonders. Dublin, and the government need to sort it out. There are options… it’s just up to the government/ DAA to research and invest.

IQO · 02-03-2023 11:19pm

https://twitter.com/Ryanair/status/1631370996417454082

.w

02-03-2023 11:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307592#Comment_120307592

He’s quite right. Approved legalised Technology is the only solution. Disgruntled blow-ins to Swords etc are a major part of problem. Of an aircraft crashed upon them (destroying house but all survivors) because of this activity it would be nemesis.

Flinty997 · 02-03-2023 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307589#Comment_120307589

Went searching for recent London UK drone incidents and can't find any. I wonder are they suppressing the reporting of them.

Tenzor07 · 03-03-2023 11:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307691#Comment_120307691

As they have the tech to bring down any illegal drones and anyone thinking about trying to fly a drone knows this, plus the potential for lengthy prison stays then why would there be a need to "suppress reporting of them?"

Tenzor07 · 03-03-2023 11:28am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307634#Comment_120307634

If that's the case then they're playing a very dangerous game, I hope the Gardai get extra resources to track down these psychopaths..

With the potential of massive loss of life as well as the closure of vital national infrastructure it makes you wonder why Eamonn Ryan is sitting on his hands doing nothing about this...

Tippman24 · 03-03-2023 11:32am

All Eamonn Ryan wants to do is to announce the closure of Dublin Airport and its conversion to a giant cycle path. Buildings to be converted to hostels for refugees.

Tenzor07 · 03-03-2023 11:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308617#Comment_120308617

Yet himself and his merry group of environmentally friendly Greens are jetting off around the world this coming St. Patrick's week, generating 11 tonnes of Greenhouse gasses, but it's fine cos the Irish taxpayer will offset all the pollution by paying more taxes...

FrancieBrady · 03-03-2023 11:57am

Michael O'Leary gave Ryan some roasting on Morning Ireland. Worth a listen for comedic value alone.

Tenzor07 · 03-03-2023 12:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308697#Comment_120308697

I thought this was good: "If there was a cycle lane blocked in Ranelagh, Ryan would be all over it..."

FrancieBrady · 03-03-2023 12:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308747#Comment_120308747

Playback in this article.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0303/1359974-drones-dublin-airport/

screamer · 03-03-2023 12:24pm

What better way to reduce the carbon footprint, drones disrupting flights. Now if Ryanair would just refuse to fly into and out of Dublin, bingo, a Green Party dream come true. Nothing will be done about this, like so many other issues…….

kirk. · 03-03-2023 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120219472#Comment_120219472

And then when they jam them

They'll evolve and have anti-jamming technology

whisky_galore · 03-03-2023 1:03pm

It'll be some craic if Biden's plane was forced to circle on his upcoming visit. Red faces all round.

Doesn't matter if some 'little peoples' travel plans are affects, shur twill be grand.

kirk. · 03-03-2023 1:12pm

Long prison sentences is the obvious deterrent

Might only catch the 1% but the risk of a checkpoint works similarly

plasterman · 03-03-2023 3:55pm

Is there anything actually known about these drones save for the one person apprehended so far?

I haven't heard any specifics. The restriction is 5 kilometres. How far away can DAA's detection system see the drones? Is there any chance this is due to increased surveillance detecting drones that have been flying in a similar fashion for years and not necessarily due to an increase in drone activity? Or is it definitely the case that some people are deliberately breaching the airport perimeter with this outcome in mind?

It's a problem either way but the latter case is a huge safety threat requiring immediate action whereas the former requires further analysis to see if there is actually a real safety risk. A technical breach of the 5km limit is still a problem but mainly for the culprit who'll be caught doing it and it's not necessarily a safety threat. I expect it is the latter I'm just curious due to the lack of details provided.

As to the identity of the drone operators I expect it's just idiots who think it's great fun to disrupt an airport, if it's deliberate. I doubt if it's climate activists or noise protesters.

Strumms · 03-03-2023 4:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120307592#Comment_120307592

Don’t always agree with MOL but he’s right.

Arrest, convict and sentence… set someone up with an appropriate sentence . If it’s a little 23 year old geek, no priors, so be it…This is too dangerous just to have the government and associated organisations just pay the problem occasional lip service, via signs, advertising and other media.

gloves need to be taken off. These geek morons need sorting out. No regard, or respect is being paid towards the flying public, or their safety, so any volume of respect enabled to them can be forgotten about.

they know the rules, know what they are at, they know the risks, dangers, facilitate them to forfeit their freedoms if they don’t facilitate respect the safety of others…

whisky_galore · 03-03-2023 4:42pm

Knowing our judiciary, probably get a telling off not to be naughty again.

NH2013 · 03-03-2023 5:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120309799#Comment_120309799

Last week ATC reported that the drone was flying past the tower windows so I'd tend to believe it's a deliberate attempt to interfere with the airport operation. Surely after an aircraft being forced into declaring a fuel emergency yesterday they'll have to take more action than simply reminding people that it's illegal to fly within 5km of the airport. Safety is being compromised by this criminal and yesterday's fuel MAYDAY just highlights the level of risk this criminal is exposing the flying public to.

Get Real · 03-03-2023 7:00pm

O'Leary is right. Its simply a case of funding anti drone technology and doing it now.

I said on this thread about a month ago and it's as clear as day. Theres simply politics in the background over who pays for it.

The Daa want the govt to pay and the department want the Daa to pay from their own funds. Its a clear as day.

Rte reporting the DAA write to govt seeking funding and have received no response.

The rest, strong words, talking about punishment is pure fluff. If the drone system was in, it'd nip the issue in the bud and the legislation would almost be irrelevant.

Theres two before the courts for flying drones over the airport. Nothing to stop them continuing, copycat incidents or a group of irritated residents doing it on rotation every week, so it's all pretty pointless. Legislation can't account for human behaviour and disregard.

This nonsense of discussing it and wasting time has to stop. Anti drone technology, done.

padraig47 · 03-03-2023 8:11pm

eamonn Ryan is a spoofer. He is not ministerial material. MOL is bang on.

Larbre34 · 03-03-2023 8:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120310651#Comment_120310651

Correct.

We are into negligence and/or incompetence territory at this stage.

Having the controlled airspace of our major Airports free from illegal obstruction, is as vital for the economy and the image of the State among investors, as would be mains water supply, power supply with plenty of redundancy and reliable broadband.

And recent Governments in general and this Minister in particular, have a pretty poor record in securing all of those.

Strumms · 04-03-2023 2:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120310651#Comment_120310651

1000% one of the least credible humans to be elected to public office. Anywhere..

More of these fûcking drone dweebs and nerds, think it’s ok to use these drones in a dangerous and illegal manner, ie. tonight, fly it into United Park in Drogheda with a few thousand spectators, players and officials….this has happened multiple times just there …

the FAI now have a ‘Drone Interference Protocol’ which I’m sure the little dweebs are delighted about, the twerps get.. attention, recognition and influence in a sports event. ie. them stopping it and having people sit down to develop a protocol….which involves players leaving the field of play.

Going to be a thing where I’d say people will invest in affordable anti drone tech… too many of these useless as fûck geeks out there with nothing better to do then to court attention, by disrupting and endangering people…flying and in public spaces.

04-03-2023 3:14am

Wait til personal electric VTOL aircraft become affordable, there will be any number of idiots flying them unless they are strictly regulated.

Markcheese · 04-03-2023 3:15pm

I doubt very much that it's simple , welding a a high powered jamming device , at the perimeter of the busiest airport in the land could not be simple , realistically if the DAA wanted it sorted immediately then they'd be a long way down that route ...

I'd rather a minister or an airline boss with feic all knowledge of drones and their exclusion from certain areas to keep stum

screamer · 04-03-2023 3:28pm

I think the best punishment for the drone operators is a lifetime ban from every commercial airline. That’s keep them grounded. However as I said nothing will be done a case of here too short and there too long.

kirk. · 04-03-2023 3:29pm

What are the US doing re drones ?

Beechwoodspark · 04-03-2023 7:03pm

on the recent disruption - many groups are absolutely furious with dublin airport for various reasons - my guess is this isn’t going away any time soon

Beechwoodspark · 04-03-2023 7:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120308617#Comment_120308617

Simplistic stuff. There is no issue with aviation once it cleans up and is carbon neutral.

Until then, of course the greens will be sceptical of the “aero sexual” community who seem to just want to see the “big birds” fly regardless of rocketing cO2 levels not seen in literally millions of years

walterking · 04-03-2023 7:17pm

Easy solution

Ryanair and any other airline that had to divert aircraft simply sue any drone operator caught.

All you need is a couple of cases, a large headline cash figure and MOL swearing that he will collect from the person at some point even if it means taking any inheritance.

CharlieDickens · 04-03-2023 7:22pm

Was there another incident ?

Strumms · 23-05-2023 11:12pm

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/when-will-the-anti-drone-technology-will-be-deployed-at-dublin-airport

hopefully there is not more delays..

25-05-2023 12:55am

With Eamon Ryan at the helm we can be sure Dublin Airport won’t function well. He’s already delighted at lack of further parking, if he could cancel the planes flying that would be the ultimate goal.

25-05-2023 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637631#Comment_120637631

What have I just read? 🙃

Strumms · 25-05-2023 1:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120637638#Comment_120637638

In fairness, his tenure as minister for transport has been a disaster .. completely out of his depth with such a diverse and imperative portfolio…. Shît decision making by MM & Leo… one wonders was Ryan and the Greens being set up to fail…. That’s no good for the Irish taxpayer …I’d say it’s a melt for Ryan too, his own crowd won’t want him enabling activities that promote air travel, but he can’t be seen to decry it either…

hes been none to proactive on this drone stuff… almost wonder if he’s enjoying it.

kirk. · 25-05-2023 10:34am

The Italians are banning short haul flights

Is that true about ryan getting a lift and cycling through the dail gates !

Hotblack Desiato · 25-05-2023 1:19pm

There's no problem banning short haul flights if you have a decent high-speed rail system.

We instead subsidise flights to Kerry (which has a mainline rail line going right past the airport, but a slow service) and Donegal which has no rail and very poor road links.

There was a small private airstrip built near Clifden which has never been used, I wonder if its backers had been hoping to get a PSO route?

p_haugh · 07-09-2023 2:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120633529#Comment_120633529

DAA have finally gotten the approval to use the anti-drone technology

https://www.thejournal.ie/drones-dublin-airport-3-6162243-Sep2023/

Markcheese · 07-09-2023 6:40pm

That mentions - safely landing the drones , not frying their electronics and just crashing them ,

Would the anti-drone device need to be between the drone and its operator ?

Certain devices can also locate the position of the operator ( to what accuracy i dont know , ) but i doubt that there'll be a garda on hand to go rushing to the general area looking for a guy who might have a drone controller ,

Hotblack Desiato · 07-09-2023 6:58pm

Would the anti-drone device need to be between the drone and its operator ?

Not if it's powerful enough to drown out the operator's transmitter.

BlueSkyDreams · 07-09-2023 7:02pm

Gravity.

L1011 · 08-09-2023 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638949#Comment_120638949

That was built by the state, with the intention of flights to Inishboffin (which also got a strip built). They were built in ~2011, the proposal for flights ended with the financial crash and is very unlikely to come back. Aer Arran Islands have been paid to keep the runways in usable condition, at least in the past - not sure about now.

70s plans that lead to Donegal and Kerry airports being built included two more airports in Donegal, one out towards Killybegs and one at Letterkenny, the Letterkenny plans only died in the 00s.

Donegal Airport was there for nearly 20 years before it actually got the PSO flights to Dublin; it had commercial UK flights for over a decade before.

Hotblack Desiato · 08-09-2023 10:41pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/contracts-for-clifden-airstrip-signed-1.823747

For some reason I always thought it was some businessman's folly, no, just the usual marriage of Eamon O'Cuiv, taxpayers' money, a wall, and zero return (although no doubt some fools gave him a vote over it).

What’s the obstacle against downing illegally flown drones?

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