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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    How do you know that will materialise? Never did for electric lawnmowers, powerwashers etc, while that industry still busy for ICE one's

    Any country you know of that has EV specialists everywhere like ICE?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The same people who repair ICE tools also repair electric ones.

    Both are simply a case of "find the damaged part and swap it for a good one".

    At the end of the day the market will meet the demand. Expecting a whole industry to develop in anticipation of EVs coming off warranty is wishful thinking.

    I suppose people said the same a hundred years ago. Few mechanics and thousands of blacksmiths.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Swapping an ice engine is incredibly rare as a proportion of the 2.5m cars in the national fleet. It will take a few years to understand where we are with EV replacements. I think leaf is an outlier, thankfully.

    A neighbour had a 131 massive mileage VW Passat 2.0D that needed a new engine just a month or two ago and said it was €3.5k for the engine and €2k to install, roughly. Independent mechanic. Im guessing those engines are literally 10-a-penny.

    bear in mind most low mileage engines for replacements come from cars written off in a rear end accidents, with engines very well cocooned under the bonnet, whereas with an EV it’s going to be a lot more difficult for a completely undamaged battery to come from a crashed car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Norway and California in the US have, UK have a few too but not everywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,586 ✭✭✭User1998


    €5.5k is expensive enough for an engine swap. I replaced a 2013 Polo engine for €1k all in parts & labour.

    To be fair I think a battery swap on a Prius is only €450 or so.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That only affects the early Sunderland models from 2013/14. That 2012 is a Jap car. I reckon the heater is gone on it though. Very common fault. Very expensive and hard to fix.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    It affected the lizard cars too (132 - 2018), I had one!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Really? What year was yours?

    I thought it was only the 13/14 and a few 15 models. By the time the 30kWh variant came out, the issue was reportedly history. My 2014 model needed the shims. My 2012 didn't. My MILs 2014 almost needed shims. My SILs 30kWh didn't.

    At least we can establish the 2012 listed here doesn't need one, thanks to the Japs rather than the Brits building it.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Mine was a 142 24kWh, the lizard pack which replaced the earliest chemistry (ie the cars that dont show SOC in percentages). It wasnt an issue in the 30kWh pack cars, so obviously mine was one of the last. Now it didnt go completely or anything, passed the NCT, but the guy said the wear levels were consistent with the known issue and I should get it done as a preventative measure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,651 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, just what I thought. They were all new chemistry (Lizard) Sunderland cars from 2013/14 manufacturing. Some were registered in 2015.

    My 141 failed NCT. I got a new tyre and it barely passed. I had bought mine in the UK with a warranty package. I had to fight to get them to pay for the work here, as they tried to weasel out of it, citing I didn't have a UK address. As it was sold to me with an Irish address, I didn't take it lying down and the garage in the UK agreed to cover it and chase the insurer themselves.

    Stay Free



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    I'm afraid ours is 161 30 kWh and the rear measured -12 m/km on NCT. It's not a fail as the limit is 18 but it was wearing one of the rear tyres quite quickly.

    But as I said earlier it's potentially a very cheap fix (or free DIY) if you find an old school mechanic that can shim it. As far as I know once shimmed it won't ever need more work unless you hit something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    I had the rear tyre wear problem on a 151 Leaf. I also imported from the UK but no issues getting it fixed under warranty here. They replaced the axle on mine but the shim kit should do just fine as well for a much cheaper out of warranty fix.

    And as above, it bled into some early 30kWh Leaf's as well but it was fixed thereafter (I'd say build dates from 2016 onwards should be OK). It was also a hit and miss thing... Not every car experienced it for some reason, but enough of them did to warrant checking it when buying one.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,317 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭kirving


    If we compare it to electronic hardware for example, say 30 years ago there were plenty of people who specialised in electronic repair and who actually desoldered and repaired/replaced specific parts on a circuit board, but as tech moved on (no issue with that btw!) it become a case of dropping in a new PCB at somewhat increased cost.

    But now the likes of Apple have coded and encrypted every swappable component so it's exceptionally difficult for anyone else to do.

    The technical and economic barriers to entry for indy's repairing EV's is one thing, but encrypting stuff to lock out indy's is very bad form.

    The best we can hope for IMO is that A) defacto standards are agreed up by OEM's and the Tier 1's who design the packs and people can be trained to some common level, and B) regulators step in quickly with Right to Repair legislation.

    Sadly I don't think independent mechanics have a strong enough lobby group, and for the most part consumers aren't going to step up and complain like American farmers did to John Deere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,296 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    24 new posts and a not a bargain in sight



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    25 including your post.


    This might be the cheapest Lizard pack leaf I've seen.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2014electric/33945756



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    From a dealer with a warranty. That's a bargain although you won't get much more than a few hundred off, so it won't be the cheapest lizard. This 2015 (!) should be yours for no more than €5k cash. Big miles though and a bit of a banger.


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-24kw/34087640



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Oh now I want that leaf! 300k km! Wow



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    In fact loads of bargains out there. How about a Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, out of all warranties and high mileage, but brand new 2 year NCT and asking just €13k? That would be a super buy for about €12k


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq/33268912



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    HUGE fuel savings on those cars, early days would have been years free from ESB

    My stuff for sale on Adverts inc. EDDI, hot water cylinder, roof rails...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Zoe, €6k. Probably yours for €5k

    You'd have to pay out the battery lease though. That's expensive even on old Renaults, despite what some people recently claimed here. €2400 for this car. Big benefit of the Zoes is that they can charge at the full 22kW at the about 1500-2000 slow charge points dotted across Ireland everywhere and mostly not in use these days. So if you have time, it is not restricted to being a city car

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/renault-zoe-2015/34121757



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    It's a pity they are so ugly, but I must admit I have a want for them too 😂

    Just came across a 6 bar one for €3k asking. Not going to put it up here - not really a bargain but you'd have a half chance of getting it for €2k. Winter range on a bad day no more than 20km though 😲



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Soarer


    That's been for sale for a while. Was up over €15k a few weeks back when I bought mine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Even better. The fact that the owner is dropping the price quickly means he is eager to get rid of it. Knowing that I'd go over in person and low ball him at €11k. You never know, got be got for well under €12k



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Private sale, he'd be lucky to even the get 10k

    A low range out of warranty EV is very undesirable at that price point

    A leaf at 5k would be a better if anything big went wrong and it's a brick



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    LOL, I'd argue the total opposite of pretty much all you have said there. At €11-12k the Ioniq is a total bargain. Only an imbecile would let it go for €10k, it would make more at auction even if the car was tatty with no NCT.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I think that white Ioniq may have been through an auction recently. I dont remember the reg plate (unusual for me) but there was a 2017 white ioniq with 200k km that went through merlins in the last 6 months and sold at a very good price indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,397 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    That didn't have an NCT though, did it? Like yourself I can't quite remember

    As always on an out of warranty car: eyes wide open. When you go see the car, you could check battery via OBD2 port. Also I would ask the seller to fully charge it then take it on a spirited drive, if you know Ioniqs, you will know if the battery is lasting ok. These cars are not known to have serious battery degradation in terms of less available range, even after 200k km



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Soarer


    I really don't know why you frequent the EV threads. You seem to be constantly putting them down, more often with nothing more than hearsay.


    If it checked out, that Ioniq is a bargain at its current price. Anything less and it's a complete steal.



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