Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

Open to correction here but I understood that the South Gates (aka Passenger Boarding Zone or PBZ) is to be relocated a short distance to the south of where it is now on an extended apron when construction of Pier 5 begins.

Wasn't there to be another equivalent PBZ close to the beginning of 28 R and a third one over on the West Apron.

If true, it looks like DUB is planning on an expansion of an unpopular boarding experience.

Isn't it some time in 2024?

I also thought the south gates were to be retained and relocated when the new pier 5 is built. Although doesn’t look like that pier 5 is in any rush to be built so they (the south gates) will probably stay where they are for a while yet. Also agree

Also agree the runway hours badly need to be extended. When it is fully operational, are we likely to see the same type of operation as Heathrow, eg. Changing between the two runways throughout the day or will the north just be used for take offs and south for landing in westerly winds? I would presume the residents are pushing for change throughout the day so each location gets a break?

With regard to the hours of use of the north runway, the original planning approval only approved its use between 0700 and 2300 local (amongst a number of conditions). daa applied for approval inter alia to change those hours to be 0600 - 2300 local. NB This doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be used, rather that it can be used.

Permission was granted by Fingal CoCo but that was immediately appealed to An Bord Pleanala. The outcome of the appeal hasn’t been decided yet.

I can’t post the Planning Authority’s webpage link due to a bot, but you can access it from the link at the bottom of this Dublin Airport page

Would it really take 4/5 years to build the new pier?

Looks like they got permission last year for permanent retention of the south gates so that resolves that issue until Pier 5 goes ahead.

Planning ref: F22A/0366

Planning permission has a lifespan to completion. Also, you wouldn't be allowed build a building to 20 year old designs if standards had changed in the interim anyway.

North runway closing time is being extended from 18:00 to 20:00 from June 1st according to DAA social feeds.

Definitely seems to be appetite for it to London anyway, I count no less than 6 day time departures NYC-LON these days.

It really is frustrating. I noted that DAA said that the next phase is expected to happen from 01/07/2023. We can only hope that it is extending back to 07:00 which is really when it is needed. You will then have a bit of a hold up to 07:00, followed by a freeing up when the North runway comes into use.

Part of me thinks the extension into the earlier hours (07:00 - 09:00) has not happened yet is to get the moaning residents used to flights on the North runway first, before disturbing their sleep in the morning. It's a different ball game on a Sunday morning when you have aircraft after aircraft blasting out overhead at 07:15 while still trying to sleep! Standby for even more complaints.

Is it just me, but as harsh as it sounds I’ve absolutely no sympathy for any of those moaning residents!!! They live beside an airport. What do they expect.

The trouble with the 0700 start on the new runway is that the first wave of departures is underway before then. Using two runways isn’t inherently complex but changing the operation in the middle of the busiest time for departures is.

Irrespective of having dual departure runways, even separating the arrivals out would mean about a dozen arrivals not disrupting departures between 07:00 and 08:00.

Not really no, the schedules are based on each airlines individual need! So it depends on where each flight is going/arriving from!

Emirates for example have a late flight that arrives in Dubai just in time for the morning rush headed east!

It was common practice to allow departures on 28L and 34 in the morning wave subject to some conditions in the old days. Why can't we do that today if they don't want to use 28R?

Compared to two nice separate parallel runways it seems like a far more complicated process by hey once again the passengers are not getting the benefits advertised and for all the talk about being greener a lot of Jet A-1 is being wasted sitting on taxiways queuing.