Teaching about Gender

I could link many articles to refute the ones above.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/a-new-low

It has not been debunked in any way that is completely untrue. That study that finds it debunked is written by the prominent gender affirming Trans right activist Jack Turban. Can you account for the 4000% increase in referrals to tavistock in less than 8 years? Can you account for the hundreds of detransitioners who speak about the influence of social media and peer groups where friends come out as trans together? Can you honestly say that social contagion has nothing to do with the huge increase in trans childrten?

Lets look at Jack Turbans study then that you have refenced here its built entirely on the premise that there are 1.2 boys for every 1 girl identifying astrans in the cited questionnaries study from 2017 and 2019 and there is no increase in girls identifying nor is there an increase in trans identyfing overall. He uses the fact that the number of girls actually decreased in 2019 as a rejection of the social contagion theory, theses are questionaires from a youth risk behaviour study. Now lets look at what has happened in Tavistock in England which has referrals from ourselves here in ireland

Tavistock the gender identity clinic has published its figures for referrals

In 2009/10 32 girls and 40 boys referred to the clinic fast forward to

2018/19 1740 girls and 624 boys

by 2019/20 - 1891 girls were referred and 720 boys were referred to the clinic

80% of all referrals were between the ages of 12 -17

There have been whistle blower doctor writng to the AAP about the flaws in Turbans study and the numbers of referrals on the ground with youth trans for years now but to no avail.

The tavistock figures directly reject the Turban study above and also vindicate Lisa Littmans study in 2018 both are critiqued here look at this article and apply the figures from Tavistock to the criticism and you can see how captured the media are to gender ideology.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-health-and-wellness/social-contagion-isnt-causing-youths-transgender-study-finds-rcna41392

I suppose it doesn't come within my subject remit so I don't encounter it as much as biology, sphe, cspe or religion teachers.

If I were to talk about it then I'd take the socratic approach and ask all the questions. I'd be very hesitant in saying "this is the way it is" as we live in a contextual world.

Also if you go into the area of psychology or quoting studies then you'll need to be careful who your audience is (same as anorexia, suicide etc).

And would you agree that feelings can change? How does gender affirmation allow a child to navigate their childhood with the guidance and common sense of an adult who knows that these feelings can change and shouldnt be affirmed ingrained and set on a medical pathway for life that they cannot possibly comprehensd the implications of?

Yes; and that's a loaded question because 1) who said feelings shouldn't be affirmed?; and 2) I never commented on kids transitioning.

We're talking about educating them.

Simple questions, yes or no (but feel free to say more if you want).

• Do you want children to get the knowledge about the gender spectrum in a controlled manner from a teacher in school?, Or
• Do you want children to get the knowledge from unconfirmed internet sources, exposing them to propaganda before they can form an informed opinion?

Can you answer these questions or not?

"It's not scaremongering on the side of those not wanting children to transition. It's child safeguarding. How on earth could a child of 5-12 possibly understand the implications of socially transitioning then starting puberty blockers and later having gender reassignment surgery? How on earth would affirming a young child's belief as a responsible adult in their lives not solidify that belief."

Yes this above - first principle: Do no harm. Time evens many bumps along the road.

Too many people with other agendas trying to influence the life paths of children growing up and where growing is the important concept.

Same question to the poster above: are you under the impression that teaching is going to be replaced by promotion? That gender affirmation of a potentially transkid is going to happen in the classroom? That pubery blockers and surgery are going to be on the curriculum?

My questions are simple, you are just trying to derail the discussion. Teaching about something is not the same as promoting it.

Your analogy regarding paganism is a good one. I hope that religion classes in schools include the history aspect of all world religions, and describe ancient religious practices, such as shamanism or paganism.

I've an idea - have an explanatory session laying out the pros and cons for the parents of every primary school.

Take a vote on whether these parents wish to have their children exposed to these matters.

Remember parents are the primary guardians and educators of their children,

Accept the result that a very large majority will choose to let sleeping dogs lie, do no harm, let things work out in time if needed. End of.

How does that help the kids who need the information?

That's a good question and underlies my point.

I know there's one religion syllabus or should I say specification!. But the teaching and promotion ( and demotion ) of certain/all/no religions takes place on a daily basis depending on the school and teacher.

So who oversees the teachers to ensure they are teaching and not promoting or otherwise? Where are the guidelines on the actual teaching practice being taught in 3rd Level?

What? So you are saying lots of sexual fetishists are pretending to be trans?

Again your ideology of pretending trans children don't exist and forcing trans children to not be trans is harmful. It's laughable to keep on about "do no harm"

Are you a teacher? Do you have any children yourself? Or are you just here with an agenda?

I ask, as you must surely know and I repeat that parents are the primary guardians and educators of their children. End of.

Parents make decisions daily for children, more so when they are young and perhaps less in teenage years. Parents are responsible for their children and make decisions in what they consider their child's best interests. They are less interested in how other people think they should raise their children, as it's really none of their business at the end of the day.

That's why you might inform parents and let them decide collectively how such matters should be dealt with in school.

And you know what, if as a parent you don't like that decision and wish to do things differently, then you take the child out of school and educate them yourself. Lots do it.