Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

EU citizens have freedom to be here, to move here, to live here. As per EU legislation every ‘citizen’ of the Union has the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the EU Member States. It’s a lawful benefit… an agreed benefit of being together in this ‘Union’…

@BlueSkyDreams Peadar isn't even far right enough for some who are former SF voters and want politicians on an anti immigration platform .

Not thuggish enough either .

There are some that will hoover up that vote if people are foolish enough to believe that they will do anything for them .

These types just want to get power, any bit at all , to stamp their hobnailed boots over anybody that is vulnerable , or in a minority .

Also the reason why the UK has fewer Ukrainians , is because the UK , not being part of the EU , has shut down all avenues of legal immigration even for refugees except for applications from abroad !

This has been going on there since Priti Patel ...how do ye not know this ??

Ukrainians and Afghans along with everybody else have had to wait to apply and only allowed if given sponsorship or accepted , in a waiting country , Poland , Moldova , wherever they have managed to escape to.

These are people fleeing war . So it's no wonder they don't apply to go there !

Who does try to circumvent this are those in small boats being trafficked .

This is why the UK is keeping Ukrainians and Afghans back , but they gave a mass influx of Albanians and Georgians .

The UK is not a country to follow ..for anything .

Do you have a link for that ? I mean to prove that he is telling blatant lies ?

Like , did he actually say what you are saying those words exactly? Or was there more to it than what you said ?

I have seen figures that 4 out of 5 of those served deportation orders in the last 5 years are unaccounted for in Ireland .

Where are they ? They are not claiming benefits or being housed so they must be working illegally and paying their own way ...or else they left on a boat to somewhere. .

If you drill down there are also people who have applied for subsidiary protection which is for people who are safe from fear of execution or death through war , but at risk of torture or persecution , and gives them 3 years and deportation after that . No rights as those granted refugee status have but can work here until then .

Then there are those who may be granted " permission to remain " by the Minister . Usually people well settled .

Not saying that would be all of the 80% as those numbers don't seem to be available , but I would think it would narrow the odds a bit .

And certainly these people are no threat to anyone .

Anybody with criminal convictions or deemed a danger to society is forcibly deported .

" Unaccounted for " ...does that mean any of the above, it's so vague ?

Fact. I and plenty others had to leave or stay and draw dole despite having qualifications and experience.

The pint was tongue in cheek ffs.

Refugees and asylum seekers are here legally.

Well theres one thing for sure you won't hear the woke libs like Bacik, Cairns and Murphy mention it anyway.

Oh I almost forgot to add MacDonald to the list as well.

Doesn't matter what I didn't get, the fact remains the people I mentioned will never talk about illegals coming here after destroying their documents.

2000 is an obscene figure and we not even half way through the year.

You are entitled to your opinion .

As is Peadar , just him, himself , nobody to consult or no policy to formulate, no body else to consider really.. that was my point which you didn't get .

The point you are making is not relevant to my post but not disagreeing with you except to say that they are by definition not " illegal " , until proven otherwise .

I notice a lot of chatter about "floatels" here, they sound lovely, floating hotels....

The British press are likening the same concept of floating refugee accommodation to prison hulks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/08/tory-plan-house-asylum-seekers-barges-dickensian

Lot of people I agree . Too many to be processed before moving them into any communities .

But" vetted " ... they are never vetted except a brief check by immigration officials to see they are not criminal or on any countries wanted list , until their application is gone through .

Even then nobody is " vetted " same as anyone else unless applying to work with vulnerable people as in Garda vetting.

This word is misunderstood and overused by people .

I agree .. it's a word used to instill fear in people by some of the more unscrupulous .

Nobody is vetted but at least some attempt is made to check backgrounds and for criminality of these people in the first few days. It's more than any checks done on EU and UK migrant workers, yet people don't talk about vetting these people and are happy to have them living next door.

The biggest fear is that some people arrive without documentation, but mostly that is either the inability to get ut together if they leave in a hurry , or to try to pretend they have not applied anywhere else . At worst it is people who feel they won't be accepted unless they say they are from wartime areas .

This is not criminality. This is dishonesty as a result of desperation. Not right but it doesn't deserve the level of witchhunt being pursued.

Yes. Me too, multiple places, some third world .

I have my last list of 40 plus addresses around the world saved because our kids were fascinated ;)

Quickest back were obviously UK and Canada , Sweden as well . Eritrea I don't think came back at all but as it was for an Irish organisation abroad I think they reckoned I was ok !

Could have been a rapist/ murderer though 👀

But no , I'm white and Irish so I got the thumbs up .

I quite agree. But posters here seem to think that immigrants are taking all our houses. Doesn't matter that they are paying for them, they are taking up homes that could be filled with Irish citizens.

So, obvs the ans appears to be to get rid of non Irish living here, all of them. Then they'll be houses for us Irish people.