Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Sure maybe some of the natives are .....

Granted that is the difficulty especially when from countries where there is no way of checking .

But what I and others are saying here is the risk is being overhyped .

Laughing my axx off at the various bogeys being trotted out :)

Incredible that you can leave your house everyday !

Do you not u understand the word multicultural ?

Refugee numbers are generally much smaller than 'regular' immigration though. I think I read that only 10% or so of migrants in a given year are asylum seekers or refugees (2022 was a very strange and unusual year of course with the arrival of 80,000 Ukrainian people).

I agree destroying ID is a disgraceful situation. It needs a European wide agreement to return passengers on the next flight to their airport of origin if they arrive without ID. It should be easy to capture and distribute ID at point of departure.

That works for those arriving on flights. Illegal immigrants claiming asylum with no ID is another scenario entirely. Where do you send them?

I don't doubt it for a second. There are many reasons why the vetting demands are a complete red herring.

I have been saying that for a long time. The thread title is meaningless. The numbers now will pale into insignificance in the decades to come.

This... vetting ...along with statements and posts on this very thread are straight out of far right playbook.

A poster said there was no such thing as far right in Ireland . Utter cxxp.

Some of the stuff ...word for word ... is coming straight from The National Party's social media page.

These and the Irish Freedom Party are far right groups with neo nazi links and known activists who are involved with those groups in Europe .

Others here are just repeating what they have seen and heard on social media and I hope they don't know who is feeding them this verbiage full of prejudice and false claims .

. Or maybe they do know who is feeding it ...then we are really in trouble .

I don't want to end up like UK and Sweden but we have to recognise that our world has changed utterly and deal with it . Our governments need to deal with it and faster if they want to keep the far right out .

@BlueSkyDreams They don't send aid anymore because of war , corruption and the inability to ensure aid reaches those who need it , the people who are fleeing here .

There are still programs of aid ongoing but they are futile if people cannot live there anymore .

I suppose we have two groups forming with different views on our gvmt's farming of the thousands of unchecked 18-30 year-old asylum-seeking men popping up all over the country:

- Group A (85% plus): WTAF?!  

- Group B (<15%): are thinking let's make up all the excuses under the moon and the stars so they don't have to confront the cruel reality that the "mammy & daddy" govmt, that they're desperately craving for, doesn't care about them in any way, whatsoever, at all. This would be the cohort that believe the latest explanation from the Irish govmt that some of these youths are in fact honourable husbands who were forced to desert their families - you simply cannot make this up, LOL!!!!

Yes its unsustainable at those levels.

The actual “far right” in Ireland are literally just a bunch of fringe weirdos Gemma O’Doherty types

They're hardly a force to be reckoned with when they’ve not a single elected representative and poll less than 1% of the electorate.

Should keep an eye on them (as with any extremists) of course but as it stands they’re a non entity.

Complete media bogeyman, plenty of scaremongering going on.

I didn't say there was no impact, of course there is. It's no different to people from other countries coming here.

Refugees from Ukraine can work on arrival here. Asylum seekers can work after the first 6 months. There is no reason for you to promote the idea that they will be a burden on the state.

We are extremely rich, and I would agree that the government are not doing a good job, clearly they cannot use the money correctly in this country. Where I differ is that I blame the government for that, not the people coming into the country.

That's not exactly true. Maybe you haven't seen what happens at these protests, but I have.

And maybe you haven't been in Twitter, but the whole thing is a platform for the far right.

The 'far right ' are not just god & her bunch of crazies, they're a lot more clever then Gemma. They have come up with many reasonable sounding slogans to sway people towards them. 'ireland for the Irish ' etc. This sounds very reasonable until you understand what they are actually doing. Making refugees and asylum seekers out to be 2nd class citizens, to be less then Irish. Not as important as human beings as other nationalities.

We have seen this type of behavior over and over again in many wars, years leading to wars.

They are not the loud lunatics you write off, they are the reasonable sounding gentlemen, slowly changing the way reasonable people think.

And yes, of course they are being monitored, but the rise in far right sympathies greatly outweighs the rise in foreign nationals.

I have seen these protests, they get wall to wall coverage. I don’t see baying mobs of thousands - it’s generally a handful of marginalised losers taking out their anger through threats and violence. Not at all representative of the general public.

It’s a good thing decisions in the country are made based on votes, not twitter, isn’t it so. In any case your characterisation is entirely subjective - what is far right for some is centre for others and vice versa. Some might also suggest twitter is a platform for the far left.

And you are correct, this kind of behaviour has led to wars in the past. The government currently couldn’t be playing it better if they want to grow the right. Housing and health crisis, populace feeling left behind by their government while (often illegitimate) outsiders appear to get preferential treatment. Exactly the kind of conditions that allows the “actual” far right to fester and flourish. This is another reason the government needs to moderate their policies with regard to the refugee crisis, lest we see the rise of a genuine far right movement.