Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

cuttingtimber22 · 21-05-2023 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624264#Comment_120624264

A key player who needs a rest is James Ryan. He has had a few brain injuries at this point and 3 months non contact is probably exactly what he needs.

Dubinusa · 21-05-2023 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120623760#Comment_120623760

If Archer travels to the world cup as a player, we've lost already.

Former Former Former · 21-05-2023 6:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624425#Comment_120624425

Furlong has clearly not been fit since November. He's barely played all year and sat out training the day before the final. But he was very good against Leicester and Toulouse.

Archer has impressed of late - but from an exceedingly low base.

The argument was that Archer is "ahead" of Furlong. There isn't a coach in the world who'd agree with that.

Must love hardship · 24-05-2023 2:09pm

Andy Farrell and Paul O'Connell could do a lot worse than going for a weeks holidays in La Rochelle and sitting down with Ronan o'Gara and Donnocha Ryan and forensically going through how La Rochelle have been able to beat Leinster the last few years.

TRC10 · 24-05-2023 3:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635282#Comment_120635282

Ah yes. Because ROG would definitely be up for that

Neil3030 · 24-05-2023 4:01pm

Just spin up the M7 and ask Graham Rowntree.

Former Former Former · 26-05-2023 9:21am

Indo reporting that we'll name a 45 man training squad on Tuesday.

Big incentive for a couple of the Munster guys who are yet to impress Farrell to put on a show this weekend.

And the only definite injury absentees are Sexton and Conway? That's some going at the end of a season.

RichieRich_89 · 26-05-2023 10:57am

45, eh...

lh: Porter, Healy, Loughman, Milne

h: Sheehan, Kelleher, Herring, Stewart

th: Furlong, Bealham, O'Toole, Salanoa

sr: Ryan, Beirne, Henderson, McCarthy, Treadwell, Kleyn

br: Doris, van der Flier, O'Mahony, Conan, Baird, Hodnett, Coombes, Deegan, Timoney, Penny, Connors

sh: Gibson-Park, Murray, Casey, Blade

oh: Sexton, R. Byrne, Crowley, H. Byrne, Carbery

c: Henshaw, Ringrose, Aki, McCloskey, J. O'Brien, Osborne

b3: Lowe, Keenan, Hansen, Stockdale, Nash, Earls, Larmour

That list has 29 forwards and 22 backs. Need to lose a few...

RichieRich_89 · 26-05-2023 10:58am

Hmmm, forgot Frawley. But would he make a 45-man panel?

ljsulster · 26-05-2023 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642323#Comment_120642323

Lose

kleyn

hodnett

carbery

timoney

connors

deegan

pickarooney · 26-05-2023 11:10am

Cian Prendergast ?

Huge competition but he's been regularly selected in wider squads. Is Jamie Osbourne fit again?

Frawley might make it ahead of a less versatile player, possibly Harry Byrne or Joey Carbery. Not sure both Earls and Larmour make it.

RichieRich_89 · 26-05-2023 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642374#Comment_120642374

Ah, yes. Prendergast. Forgot him.

RichieRich_89 · 26-05-2023 11:14am

Don't think Osborne is fit, but he might make it if it's a more meet up than training session.

Wegians89 · 26-05-2023 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642323#Comment_120642323

Prendergast will be in there. Think Frisch, Shane Daly and Niall Murray could be surprise inclusions in the wider squad. Think you’ll only see one of Hodnett, timoney or Connor’s in there.

ljsulster · 26-05-2023 11:57am

Scrolling through the irfu website and managed to come to a page titled

’rugby World Cup squad’

it had Harry Byrne and jack carty pictured in this years Ireland kit- when were they in camp this year?

ljsulster · 26-05-2023 11:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642559#Comment_120642559

Of course it means nothing probably would it’s interesting to see if any of the names listed are in the announced squad

phog · 26-05-2023 1:06pm

Regardless of what happens tomorrow players like Haley & Kleyn must feel hard done by not to have been in recent squads. They've had a fantastic season and have improved from where they were last year.

Dubinusa · 26-05-2023 1:11pm

I'd say the squad is fairly set. A couple of new players may get a look.

pickarooney · 26-05-2023 2:07pm

4 TH props from 4 provinces is a nice look

ulsteru20s · 26-05-2023 3:45pm

I’d call in Niall Murray and John Hodnett for a look. Both guys who are in great form and who are really good at specific things.

Dubinusa · 26-05-2023 3:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120643614#Comment_120643614

I feel the same. It's tough to get the balance correct, and perhaps changes will come after the world cup.

On Murray, I think he's phenomenal! I rate him higher than Baird. I think Murray is much better in the 2nd row than Baird has ever been

Hodnetts time will come. He's not getting in ahead of VDF. At least not in the short term. I would say the 7 shirt will be his down the road.

Other lads that could be in with a shout, Tom Stewart, could be a multi capped international. Milne should be looked at. Probably too soon for him. Calvin Nash, will be capped in the warm ups. He's probably the best winger this season.

awec · 26-05-2023 4:04pm

The only games between now and the RWC are the warm up games. Those games will be used to get the players fit and adjusted from lying on beaches this summer.

I would be amazed if any new players get a role that's anything more than holding tackle bags in camp. It's just too late at this stage, the squad is surely set.

aloooof · 26-05-2023 4:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120643687#Comment_120643687

Similar was said 4 years ago too, only for Kleyn to come into the squad ahead of Toner.

It’s certainly the exception that proves the rule tho, (and there are no players who will just become residency-qualified in August, to my knowledge at least).

I think it’s very unlikely, but not impossible. Could be injury dependent as well (he says, wincing at the thought of David Wallace down injured).

stephen_n · 26-05-2023 4:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120643726#Comment_120643726

4 years ago we were in meltdown. It’s a very different scenario coming off the back of a GS. Kleyn was a knee jerk reaction to getting dominated physically.

AbusesToilets · 26-05-2023 5:26pm

Cian Prendergast would be a shout for the squad, been excellent this season. 9f McCarthy and Osbourne hadn't gotten injured, I think they'd be bolters, but probably too late now.

Clegg · 27-05-2023 8:30pm

Not Ireland team news, but rather relating to one of our WC opponents.

Libbok and Willemse as your only 10's is a big problem for South Africa. The former is pretty dodgy and the latter is a fullback. I assume they'll call up another 10 (Pollard?) because those options won't win them a World Cup. I'd be very happy if either of them started against Ireland.

https://twitter.com/jaredwright17/status/1662540295458701316?t=EgiKaLPYd7NLAtjFq6D0QQ&s=09

27-05-2023 8:51pm

Looking at the last few weeks (and being mindful of what goes on in camps etc) you would have to say Crowley is pushing Byrne very hard. He was good against Leinster and he was good today. That comes on top of Ross being quite quiet against La Rochelle.

Hodnett another that is knocking on the door.

Beirne back to his best is also great to see, am very happy with Ryan / Beirne in the row.

Is Furlong under pressure? Hasn't looked fit at all but has time now over the Summer / Pre Season. Conan also going to be hard to leave out.

Thought JGP was below par in the final too.

Plenty of interesting debate over the Summer.

Clegg · 27-05-2023 9:02pm

Sexton, Crowley and Byrne are our three 10's for the World Cup. Furlong will be in the squad but Bealham is pushing him now. He's the best performing tight head in Ireland this season.

I'm not sure Hodnett will travel, simply because Farrell doesn't appear to want a specialist 7 outside VDF. We had no recognised back up in the Six Nations iirc.

For the 2019 WC we selected 5 backrow forwards. POM, VDF and Doris will start the big games so there's two spots available if Farrell goes with a similar selection policy. Conan has arguably been the form backrow in the country since the Championship where he also played well. I think the final spot goes to Cian Prendergast. He has experience in the Ireland camp and finished the season excellently.

I think Ryan Baird travels as well, potentially as a fourth lock. I think he's a better blindside flanker, but he made some key contributions in the Six Nations playing at second row.

dublin49 · 27-05-2023 9:07pm

I think Hodnett is going to be looked at now.He has been brillant recently,lots of Munster players can now be more hopeful in close calls,

Clegg · 27-05-2023 9:26pm

Just seen that squads for the World Cup have been expanded from 31 in 2019 to 33 for this year. Definitely gives the chance for more flexibility in selection.

Can see one utility back and an extra hooker touring. Or maybe an extra scrum half? Due to squad limits last time we only brought McGrath and Murray. JGP, Murray and Casey should all travel.

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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