Teaching about Gender

Yes we did - and it resulted in people begin forced to grow up in shame and secrecy, and now seventy years on you want to make the same mistake of sweeping it under the carpet instead of bringing it out into the open and discussing it thus removing the taboo and denying people access to the information they need.

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Being trans isn't real because it can't be biologically tested.

There's no such thing as trans because science (despite the fact reams and reams of scientific acknowledgement that trans people do exist)

Maybe a few people do "feel" trans

Some psychologists said homosexuality was a disorder 70 years ago therefore being trans isn't real

Everyone who thinks trans people exist is a sheep

A conservative opinion piece is not science.

Former head of talent at Nikelodeon - a kid's TV channel, nothing to do with science.

Not seeing relevancy of the second one.

Ah like I literally linked you to info on this, from a peer reviewed journal. Clear and consistent fMRI differences with nice reproducibility across different cohorts. Referenced in those studies are a rake more studies with very nice and clear p values. I'm not sure what exactly you mean when you say "science", it has very little to do with what I spent years in college studying and working in the area. You've no real interest in reading information, you just want to make it sound like you do.

You never made any points - you posted two links (one of which was nothing to do with science) and told me to google a name (of someone who wasn't a scientist), that was IT - so I've no idea if they were true or not, or what they were intended to illustrate. Pretty sure you don't either.

And I see 13 mins earlier you did the same thing. No source, no point, just something I'm supposed to guess fits a point you might or might not have made and I might ot might not be able to guess. Here who is? And what's her point? And how does it prove yours scientifically?

If you don't answer those questions, I'm not clicking.

Yes, the old “keeping kids away from” has such a stellar track record in areas like drugs, sexuality, pregnancy, alcohol and more.

Kids don’t catch being trans from hearing about being trans.

You're clearly not willing to have your mind changed though. You haven't listened at all in any way to people with alternative views to you in this thread.

It was clearly pointed out that links were rejected not the points; because they weren't scientific - and you know this, you're just in denial.

We don;t know what point you were making, let alone whether or not is was valid - but you're not open minded if you expect random non-scientific links to be entertained by us, while demanding scientific evidence from everyone else, are you?

There's certainly an adjustment period, more for some than others but having open conversation as a staff and getting some training takes the fear out of it. I know it seems strange but it becomes part of the furniture after a while, schools are so busy and there are so many new things it's hard to keep up anyway. I've honestly had more issues with Andrew Tate type hyper masculinity this year than anything to do with trans "ideology" or whatever people think is going on. I have more conversations about shellac nails.

I love my job I have to say and the variance in the kids is one of the reasons. I worry about when they go out in the world and people who think "science" is research and actual research is not worth reading properly abuse them. Too many are afraid to leave the house as is.

Sorry yes, a city school.

Such a reductionist argument. Kids are exposed to drugs, early sexual experience, drink etc. It has various impacts, but generally speaking, the data shows it leads to lower achievement. Taking drugs for example, keeping kids away from drink absolutely has a more stellar record that early exposure.

Teachers would be queing up to teach SPHE

You are talking about ideas

I am talking about real people.

Perhaps you should meet real trans people in real life to discuss how you think they suffer, are all mentally ill and autistic and are all not genuine trans. Maybe you right realise then that yes your views are transphobic because they are all about stereotyping trans people as fake and mentally ill and being trans as shameful and delusional.

It’s teaching kids that trans people exist. So that if they are trans or when they engage with trans people, they know what the story is.

We don’t have a huge increase in trans kids. We have an increase in the numbers of trans kids who are able to be open to family and others about this fundamental aspect of their psyche.

I wish people would be honest about their reasons for not teaching kids about trans people.

Hilarious that you think your kids will believe you unquestioningly and won’t make their own minds up based on other influences and what they see in the world around them.

Because you just confirmed what I said. I'll take the first two:

Exhibit A

You: What is a child's reference point for definitely being trans? Is it that a girl likes playing soccer or a boy likes dolls?

Me: You don't know the difference between something you are and something you do

You: (asked the same question again)

Transphobia - you made absolutely no effort to find out...? You just confirmed your own bias.

(Answer - in some cases yes - they just know - but you wouldn't know that because you've never spoken to any, have you? You've never tried to find out? You just decided that what you believe in is true because it fits your transphobic stance)

Exhibit B

You: Explain how brain washing an entire generation of children form the age of 5 into believing men can actually become biological women

Me: Bias just because you don't like it, it's 'brainwashing' - it's not even on the syllabus how could it be anything to "an entire generation of kids" who are barely able to read? We're not even talking about kindergarten kids, we'r talking teenagers - why are 5 year olds relevant: because it fits your natrrative?

You: the gender unicorn of the gender bread mans .... completely and utterly baseless in science ... How many genders are there? should we teach children all 80 genders should we teach them all the different pronouns? Its indoctrinating an entire generation

Transphobia - baseless contextless accusation - I don't believe anyone says that 80 genders all have different - you are lying and making up bullshit to suit your own bias. And if they do, they're idiots and should be dismissed as such, but for some reason you think it's representative of the entire community - why is that? Because you hate the community and are expressing it here.

You: Explai the increase in referrals to Gender clinics in USA UK and Ireland?

1 - can you prove this? and 2) can you directly link it to being caused by the gingerbread group? Correlation =/= causality and if you think it does, it proves your bias again.

You believe that this is what will be taught in the classroom - with NO EVIDENCE - because this is WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. It suits your transphobic narrative.

CONCLUSION - You have no interest in finding out anything neutrally. Your have your biases and you are just looking to confirm them with lies. You don't know what will be taught or by whom, so you assume the worst and peddle it as fact. You are transphobic and only looking to prove it.

Exhibit C:

if gender dysphoria persists past puberty in a small minority of cases...

How do you know it's a small minortiy of cases? You made it up because it suits your narrative.

We are talking in this discussion about children who are medicalised.

Ditto - what the **** is "medicalised"?

As for "what adults do" - in a lot of cases, these feelings suface long before the person becomes an adult so they need to be dealt with early. Now - just to be clear - this does not mean automatic transition or puberty blockers - this means ediucation.

It's be the other side - you need Irish to teach and the radical left see that as a form of oppressive indoctrination.