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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Wonder what MacDonald and O Reilly will have to say about the Red C poll, a lot of their voters think we are taking in too many migrants.

    O Reilly would want to remember that next time she attends an Ireland for All march.

    Post edited by Galwayguy35 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭jackboy


    All parties are aligned with the vision of long term large scale immigration so the poll is irrelevant and will be ignored. We will be told we have obligations, the EU are making us and if you question it you are far right. The politicians know they can bankrupt the country, not bother fixing the trolley and housing crises and the people will still vote for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yeah you're right, they are not perfect they are dangerous scum; beating people up, screaming at people's homes to get them out, burning tents, burning hotels, burning cars, throwing fireworks into crowds, threatening to set hotels on fire

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    There's nothing wrong with large scale immigration as long as the infrastructure and plans are in place to facilitate. Many countries develop infrastructure ahead of time based on data modelling. Singapore being an example of a country that does it well.

    The infrastructure is clearly not in place and will never be with the absolute lack of vision and stupidity that exists.

    We have always been reactive to infrastructure instead of proactive. Under the current Government we are not even reactive. It's pure rabbits caught in headlights stuff.

    FG/FF/GP - I'm out. Where the hell to go from here, I really don't know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,585 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is zero chance of the required infrastructure ever being put in place.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I won't

    Always gave no 1 to the independant candidate and 2 to whoever I felt was doing most for the area and they would mostly have been the FG guy.

    I'll ask him when he comes calling are his views in line with the party and make my decision based on what he says.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Do you put the people in Clare in the far right category?

    They didn't burn anything or shout at anyone.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    In the polling data, 83% of those polled who support Sinn Fein agreed with the statement "Ireland is taking in too many refugees". The figure is 70% for FG supporters, 74% for FF, and 88% for independent candidate voters.

    Goes to show again that SF are a lighning rod for the "anti-government/anti-establishment" votes that in other countries go to Trump/Farage/Le Pen etc.

    Which is astounding when you consider what SF's position on immigration actually is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭Thou


    Is this not part of the problem, the FFG status quo clinging to power with a list of preference votes, people who vote for independent/others over establishment parties, including SF PBP etc. would do well to remember this come election time. Just vote your no.1 and leave it at that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    I’ll be voting independent myself, no idea after that , FF and FG have eliminated themselves



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,555 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm not talking about how the rest of Galway will vote, just myself.

    Ciaran Cannon is the FG guy and he did a lot for the local area but he seems to be backing the Gov on this so thats why I'll be asking him when he calls to my door.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Talk about naive- refugees make no impact on housing. I live near mosney and wonder where the residents go when they leave there n get housed by the government?! Narnia?!!

    In totally unrelated news there is one house to rent in Balbriggan currently. E2750 for a 3 bed. What odds the government rent it n pay 90% of the rent.

    https://www.daft.ie/property-for-rent/balbriggan-dublin



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    That’s the problem,we’re a small country but people believe we should be able to house the worlds poor



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,920 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Dont think that poster lives in Ireland you'll be surprised to hear!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭green123


    Goldengirl,

    Yesterday you said that you remain to be convinced.

    Does this poll result of 75% saying we are taking in too many refugees help to convince you?

    The vast majority do not want mass immigration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Sean Canney is by far the best TD in Galway East , the other two are a waste of skin , especially Rabbitte



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    So you basically have no view bar an expletive



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It would be nigh on impossible for Sinn Fein (of all people) to pivot to being an anti-immigration party. They describe themselves as left wing and a "social justice" party, concerned about the rights of ordinary people and the poor and the downtrodden. To position themselves as being anti-immigration and anti-refugee would be almost mind boggling (note how the anti-immigration parties in the UK like the current version of the Tories and the former UKIP have many toffs and millionaires on board).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Here's the thing the party TD will tell you want you want to hear or feign interest or concern at what you are saying just to get your vote. Then when elected the TD will just fall in line with what ever the party policy is. And then this cycle will be repeated every 5 years or so.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    But is asking for realistic immigration policy like having a passport or travel documentation when arriving in the country anti-immigration? My own opinion most people in the country are open to immigration but what they don't want is the free-for-all that it is now. Also this policy of busing bus loads of people into a community in the middle of the night is not a good look and is going to get people's ire up, whoever is behind that strategy needs to removed from their position. It just very underhanded way of this doing things, its like lets sneak a bus load of people into this community during the night and hopefully the next day they wont notice and if they do and if they complain about sure lets just call them far-right or racists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,657 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    From what I can gather, there has been a fair bit of tightening up of immigration procedures this year. Gardai being sent to different airports around Europe to act as a de facto immigration control for Ireland. Airlines now getting fined for allowing people to board flights to Ireland without being in possession of passports etc.

    I would actually completely agree on the consultation issue. Communities should be informed many weeks in advance that there are plans to open up a temporary asylum centre in their area (especially small rural communities). It's only common courtesy and it increases the chances of the process going smoothly if the community have already been fully informed about what is planned and are on board with the idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 974 ✭✭✭_Puma_


    That was the PR pieces the government and their NGOs put out on the news bulletins this week. It's simply not true and even if it were it's not going address anything. Think about it, unless a member of an gardai physically sits beside every non Irish person in transit to this country and escorts them to immigration control what is going to stop bogus clamaints of Asylum. Remember we have very little direct routes to these places and they can't get on a plane already without identification.

    The "consultation" thing can't work.

    The first question is "who are these people". It's a question that can't be answered because the authorities don't know.

    They are supposed to figure it out in the initial "holding period". The whole system has crumbled so this usually is where things go into limbo. These are the people in these centres.

    The latest figure show the majority of claims of Asylum are rejected or in limbo. Rejected claims are supposed to be served deportation orders. A miniscule fraction of the deportation orders are served at present as again this system has crumbled.

    Most clamaints eventually go either off the grid or re enter the process.

    There is no mystery in all this it's all spelled out in the "Ending Direct Provision" policy whitepaper released in 2021. It was the floodgate policy that opened the country to migrant tourism. Before this the majority as Asylum claims were genuine cases albeit in a similarly poor system. The department even went as far as translating and broadcasting on social media this policy in countries we now have the majority of clamaints from, most of where there is no active conflict.

    Its why new centres are being acquired without consultation. It's why people are bussed in the middle of the night. It's why objectors are branded right wing or racist.

    Until a u-turn and a halt on new entrants to the system is imposed to sort out the mess things are going to get worse. The government know this but are doing the exact worst thing they could at the moment in expanding capacity.

    Post edited by _Puma_ on


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Good to know you think the hatred of setting tents on fire, cars on fire, hotels on fire, threatening to burn down hotels, beating people up with wooden planks, throwing fireworks into crowds is all perfectly reasonable behaviour.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It does yes. But not for just expressing an opinion.

    And yes the far right could do a lot worse than our present lot in many other ways as I have already listed.

    Anti Gay, anti equality, anti abortion and contraception. Let me list the ways

    Back to the dark ages.

    And just so we are clear what I think of your posts..

    You registered to post here yesterday and you have been extremely.. active... promoting far right opinions.

    You are entitled to your opinion but thankfully many people feel as I do about far right extreme politics.

    Maybe not here but we are not all so gullible in Ireland.

    (Maybe you think because there are people here discussing civilly and open to others opinions that you can creep in unnoticed? )

    You didn't answer me yesterday when you made that strange comnent about Pakistanis / Afghanis / Algerians coming here when in fact that would be other countries not Ireland!

    So maybe you will answer me now?

    Where are you posting from??

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Bottom line is suspend existing regugee agreements bar Ukrainians for a year. If people want to work illegally let them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    And another point... I made all those points in a post yesterday which you read because you replied to it, so don't come back to me twisting it as if I don't know how badly people are feeling the crunch. And that those issues need to be addressed.

    I don't need you to tell me anything about my country.


    And no need to put far right in quotation marks

    It is trying to infer that those attitudes are not extreme.

    They are, they are harmful, hateful and dangerous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Good post.

    Have been saying the same

    The answer is not farright though and people need to be more active telling their politicians how they feel.

    The poll yesterday shows so many are afraid to say that they want controls on immigration.

    They are afraid to be called racist. But at the end of the day there is a difference between those wanting reasonable controls, and those advocating blockading protests or burning tents.

    I am worried that people are seeing no choices here

    We have peacefully changed our politicians 'minds over other policies before.

    But make no mistake, Ireland is signed up to the 1951 Convention which governs the treatment of refugees.

    It is not the EU.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,065 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yes. The far right are extreme in their hatred of people who don't fit into their view of Irishness.

    We have seen a lot of their extremeness hatred in communities across Ireland; setting fire to a hotel in Moville, settting fire to a hotel in Rooskey, saying they want Doctors who carry out abortions to be executed, threatening to burn down a hotel in Wicklow, threats to damage a hotel in Athy, throwing a fireworks at a hotel in Buncrana, burning a building in Buncrana, setting fire to Martin Kenny TDs car, beating Izzy Kamikaze with a plank, beating up a 70 year old in Corofin, setting a fire at Kill Equestrian centre, throwing a fireworks towards Gardai in Dublin, harassing Leo Varadkar at his home, calling for the extermination of Jews, calling for asylum seekers to be burned out at Finglas, calling for Finglas Garda Station to be taken over, calling for Irish citizens born to be deported, harassing librarians in Cork, Dublin and Meath, Ripping up books in Cork, calling for President Michael D Higgins Head to be stamped on, setting fire to tents in Sandwith Street

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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